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From Alcohol Dependence to Sobriety: Nadine Shaw’s Empowering Journey
What happens when a CrossFit athlete and personal trainer finds herself trapped in the cycle of alcohol dependence? How do societal norms around drinking contribute to hidden struggles with addiction?
Nadine Shaw opens up about her inspiring transformation from a life entwined with drinking to one of sobriety, driven by her desire to be a better role model for her children. In this episode, join host Anthony and Nadine as she shares how The 30-Day Alcohol Experiment helped her kickstart change, gradually replacing old habits with healthier routines. Nadine also discusses the psychological freedom she discovered through sobriety and the power of community and storytelling on her podcast, Life, Health, and the Universe.
Nadine’s Recommendation:
- Book: 30-Day Alcohol Experiment
- Book: Beyond Booze by Sarah Rusbatch an accredited Sobriety and Grey Area Drinking Coach based in Perth, and the face behind Perth's Alcohol-Free Movement!
- Facebook Group: Women's Wellbeing Collective hosted by Sarah Rusbatch
About Nadine Shaw
Nadine Shaw is a CrossFit athlete, personal trainer, mother, and the host of the podcast Life, Health, and the Universe. Despite maintaining a fitness-focused lifestyle, Nadine quietly struggled with alcohol dependence, facing the challenges of societal norms that normalize drinking. In 2022, she found the turning point she needed through The 30-Day Alcohol Experiment, a small challenge that evolved into a lasting commitment to sobriety.
Now, Nadine uses her personal journey to inspire others, emphasizing the importance of mental clarity, healthy routines, and being a positive role model. Through her podcast, she explores integrative health practices and shares powerful stories from guests, fostering connection and hope for those on similar paths of personal growth and recovery.
Connect with Nadine Shaw
Website: https://lifehealththeuniverse.podcastpage.io/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/life_health_theuniverse/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LifeHealthTheUniverse
Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4pktMRoOBi9HLlFBpTWrI2
Facebook: https://web.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100091937637281&_rdc=1&_rdr
Nadine Shaw invites listeners to reach out to her through the website's contact page or by leaving a voice message.
About me&my health up & Anthony Hartcher
me&my health up seeks to enhance and enlighten the well-being of others. Host Anthony Hartcher is the CEO of me&my wellness which provides holistic health solutions using food as medicine, combined with a holistic, balanced, lifestyle approach. Anthony holds three bachelor's degrees in Complementary Medicine; Nutrition and Dietetic Medicine; and Chemical Engineering.
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Welcome back to another insightful and exciting episode of me&my health up. I'm your host, Anthony Hartcher, a clinical nutritionist and lifestyle medicine specialist. The purpose of this podcast is to enhance and enlighten your wellbeing. And today we have a special guest on the show. It's Nadine Shaw. So Nadine Shaw is an incredibly fit person. She competes at the World CrossFit Games on a regular basis and performs really well with other elite athletes across the world in relation to CrossFit. She also is a personal trainer and a mum of two beautiful children and has a partner who she deeply adores. So this episode is about Nadine's journey with all struggles. So it's a journey of struggling with alcoholism. So it's, you wouldn't say Nadine was an alcoholic, but she had a level of dependency on alcohol that she was unhappy with and wasn't the image that she wanted to lead her children with, and decided to make a change. And so Nadine shares her story, her journey of how she went from having a dependence on alcohol to sobriety. And so she is completely free now. She's liberated and she is absolutely loving life. And so she shares her hot tips on how you can break free of addiction. In relation to this episode, it's, we're focused on alcohol, but it's certainly going to be an enlightening and empowering journey for you to tune into Nadine's success around her letting go of alcohol. So without much further ado, I'd love to welcome you into the discussion I'm having with Nadine Shaw. Welcome on the me&my health up podcast. How are you, Nadine?
Nadine Shaw:I'm very well, Anthony. Thank you for inviting me on. I've been looking forward to our conversation.
Anthony Hartcher:So have I, actually, in terms of what you shared with me about your journey to sobriety. And I think it really relates well to the listeners of me&my health up. We've all encountered challenges during our lifetime. And some of those challenges have, you know, resulted in some form of addiction that hasn't really served us well. And I think for the young generation today, that addiction is vaping. And for our generation, we sort of got into more the alcohol and the weed and the ecstasy pills. But, it's, I think it's a really important topic to hear a story of success and triumph, ultimately, over what was challenging you. And I would really love you to impart that wisdom with me&my health up listeners. But before we get into the topic, I would really love you to share your story of how you have arrived at what you're doing today.
Nadine Shaw:I'll try. The older you get, Anthony, the longer the story takes. Oh, dear. So maybe I'll go backwards. I currently live in mid-north coast New South Wales. My husband and I moved up here five years ago with our two children. So we've got a 10, almost 10 year old and an eight year old. So I was a late bloomer when it came to having children. Prior to that, we had a gym in Sydney and we were, you know, just doing all of the things, working, living, parenting, paying the bills and that sort of thing. And that's why we decided to move to a, to the countryside for a quieter existence, a more simple life. We still have a personal training gym up here. We just, we're lucky enough to train people from our home, not working as much, homeschooling. Okay. So I've kind of gone, I've gone present backwards, present again. I've competed in CrossFit in the early, well, 2009, I think, was the first CrossFit Games that I went to. Competed three times in the CrossFit Games as an individual and in a team. And I've currently got a podcast as well. It's really hard, you know, because, because you kind of go down the, yeah, and I'm sure you get it as well, where you just kind of, I'm a personal trainer, but there's so much more, right? But yeah, two and a half years sober. And I'm really keen to talk about this as well, because I think it's something that more people need to talk about. And, you know, maybe you might not expect that someone who's been a CrossFit Games athlete needed to worry about alcohol, right?
Anthony Hartcher:100%. And I think when we see someone that's a personal trainer or an athlete, we often just assume a perfect bill of health, but it's often not the case. And I'd love to, for you to share your story, where, how it all unraveled for you.
Nadine Shaw:Hmm. Okay. So I have to, I'll admit, and it, and it's interesting actually, isn't it? Because you you mentioned addiction in your intro. And to, in our normal social setting, I guess, or, you know, our social norms, it's, it's totally acceptable to be a drinker. And, you know, I wasn't getting up in the morning and having a glass of wine, but I was drinking consistently and, you know, waking up in the morning and thinking, oh, I can't wait till I finish work tonight so I can have a glass of wine. Or conversely, I'm not going to have a drink today. That would be one of the first thoughts I would have. It's socially acceptable. And so as a personal trainer, working in the fitness industry for 20 years, I was, that's like up until now, all through that time, I was a drinker, but I was ticking all of the other boxes, right? So I was eating well, I was exercising, I was getting enough sleep, although I would argue that my sleep quality wouldn't have been very good because I was drinking. You know, I had a good physique. I was a, yeah, I was competitive, you know, so I was doing well in CrossFit as well. So it was like, well, I don't need to, I don't need to drink alcohol. I don't need to stop drinking alcohol. In fact, I, it was like a badge of honour. You know, I could have a couple of glasses of wine in the evening and still beat everyone when I did my CrossFit comps. So that was kind of, that was where I was at in the early 2000s. And then in 2014, I had my first child, Louis. So I was 40. And so obviously I didn't drink. When I was trying to get pregnant, I went through IVF, so I stopped drinking. I didn't drink throughout my pregnancy, but pretty much it crept back in over time. And then I had another baby almost two years later. And so I didn't drink again, but pretty much as soon as, you know, as soon as I could, I was back on the wines and gradually it just creeps back in and it becomes habitual. It's just something you do, something you do with other people. So that's kind of where I was at. Do you want me to keep going or should I take a pause?
Anthony Hartcher:No, I really appreciate your your honesty and being so open about your journey. You know, this is really revealing and probably some, some people are hearing it for the first time from you. And so I really appreciate you being so open and honest. And I can, you know, like we know from, I guess, the law of conservation is, you know, when we're being really good, it creates a licencing effect in a sense. Well, we then want, we balance ourselves through the licencing effect saying, well, I'm doing all these things really well. So therefore I deserve this. And, and we all do it. Like myself as a nutritionist, I go through the same process as to, yeah, I've been so good. I, you know, I deserve an extra piece of chocolate or, and so, or, you know, a couple of pieces or half a block. All right. So this is not uncommon for anyone, even athletes and those Olympians, or, you know, this is what we call the licencing effect, is essentially we counterbalance and we restore some sort of, we have this conservation of, you know, at any point we're healthy, we're also unhealthy as well. And that constant dynamic is throughout our entire lives. And I can, I've always carried ill health with me whilst I've been doing so many healthy things. I've always had some form of disease with me throughout every phase of my life. And that also plays into addictions. And so addictions don't leave us, they just transform into something else. And so I was talking, well, I have clients that had hard drug addictions, but they've just transformed into another addiction. But that other, that new addiction better serves them and serves their social situation. And the hard drugs was obviously destroying them and their family and and things like that. But the new addiction can be, you know, one of my clients, it's Muay Thai boxing and, you know, he's, he's full, full on into Muay Thai boxing. Previous to that, it was hardcore drugs. And so it's that transformation of addiction. So at any point in time, you know, myself, I go through these waves of my addictions, just transforming from one form to another. So I, yeah, really appreciate your honesty. And, and what was the trigger for you in terms of, I need to change this? What was that, that moment? And just go through that moment and that thinking process that you, you wanted to change, and the reason why you wanted to change?
Nadine Shaw:Well, I mean, it was a process and it was over a period of time. There was certainly always that, that kind of, well, for, you know, a few, few years, probably where you'd hear someone say, oh, no, I don't drink. And I would think I want to be like that. I wish I could say that. So there's obviously something in the back of my mind that that wanted to, and also we, so we had kids that was probably, you know, you start to weigh up the pros and cons of, well, not just waking up in the morning feeling rubbish and having to deal with two small humans. But what does, what does my behaviour? How does it impact on them? You know, when they're seeing it? How will it impact on them later in life? If they think, if they think it's normal or acceptable behaviour. And I got more and more deep, like you think, when someone's a personal trainer, and they do CrossFit competitively, you know, they're quite deep into the health space. But there's so much more. And we're all and your podcast and my podcast like really talk about all of those different possibilities that we have for our health, and for improving our health. And, you know, and I'm, I'm a massive fan of longevity, and health span over lifespan. And that alcohol was the, was the thing. It was like, that was the thing. Out of all, you know, everything else I was doing. Well, I was meditating, you know, I was making sure I didn't, wasn't stressed. I was going to bed on time, waking up at the same time every day, eating well, exercise, doing all of the things, but I was still drinking. And so there was just this nag, nag, nag, you know, it was like a thorn in my side. And so I got to, I don't even know what year it was. What year is it? 2024. 2024. So it must have been 2022. 2022. I'd heard of a book called the 30-day alcohol experiment. And I thought, well, you know what, I'm just gonna buy it. So I got it on my Kindle and I'm just going to read it and I'm going to commit to 30 days. Okay. So every day from this book, and I don't have the name of the author. But if anyone is interested, like it, it's easy to find online, 30-day alcohol experiment. So I just read a chapter a day, that's all told you to do. And it just teaches you about some of the things that are going on psychologically and physically when you drink alcohol. And I followed the 30 days, and I got to the end of the 30 days. And I was like, I think I had planned to do a CrossFit competition, which was that was like in January, had a CrossFit competition for the Masters in mid-Feb, late, mid to late Feb. And I was like, well, I'm just gonna go till then. It seems silly to have done all of this, you know, had a month of sobriety and then go back to it just before a competition. And then, so I did that. And then I was like, well, I'm just going to get to my birthday, which was the 1st of April. And I did that. And then there was something else coming up and I was like, well, I'm just going to do another month. And then I was like, I don't want to go back now. And I was using an app as well, which is really helpful. Different things work for different people, I know. But I was using an app and it just counted the days. And actually, I've still got it. I haven't looked at it for a long time, but it's going to be a lot of days. So the more days you have, and the, and I looked at it every day, the more days you have, you have one day, you have one drink, you have one sip of a drink, you're back to zero, right? And I was like, and that for me was a really good psychological, powerful tool. But I just got, I was just like, I got to a point where I was like, people would say, are you going to drink again? And I'd be like, oh, I don't know. And now I'm like, no, because I don't want to go back. I don't want to go back and have to go through that whole process again. You know, the, the thinking about it all the time, I'm not going to drink today, you know, and then getting to sort of preparing dinner at dinnertime and then being like, oh, I really would love a glass of wine. And then the, you know, the conversation in your head, don't do, don't do. And then before you know it, you're reaching for the glass, and you've had your first sip and, you know, start again. That was how I got to, to that point.
Anthony Hartcher:Amazing. Yeah. So really, that empowering why was, you wanted to be the best leader for your children. And you wanted to be the best role model for your children. I think that was, you know, a strong driver behind your decision making. And then obviously, you've got help through education, through the book that's really empowered you and put you in the driver's seat. And you've tracked your progress through the, through the app, which then created momentum. Because, you know, you just got to the next milestone. I think one thing that probably helped you was having another milestone. Yeah, I can get through to my birthday, I can get, you know, I can get through to this date. And then it became so long without it that you weren't missing it anymore, right? And so what in terms of your routine now, like, obviously, the routine was at the end of the day, after working hard, training, you know, training at the gym, and training others and things like that. And then looking after your kids and getting them ready and settled. And then you go through the, you know, having a couple of glasses to wind yourself down. Now, what do you do to ease off on the day or to shift your busy mindset to then I'm in relaxed mode?
Nadine Shaw:Oh, well, I read usually, it's actually quite interesting, because, you know, there are still times and, yeah, there are still times where there's that association, you know, and you kind of have a brain snap where you're like, oh, you know, this is the time where I would have a drink. It doesn't happen as often now, but it still happens. And it's really quite interesting to sort of, you know, be able to observe that behaviour a bit more and go, What, what was it? Why do I feel like I'm missing something? And I don't know, I think part of it is just really habitual. Or is it like, I feel uncomfortable just being, you know, with my own thoughts sometimes, and I just want to shut those off. So my evenings now, I mean, we're such dags, we, we all go to bed really early, but we always have. So everyone goes to bed at the same time. So we usually have dinner, 5.30ish, clean up from dinner. You know, the kids get ready for bed. They watch a little bit of, they have a little bit of screen time then, and I know this is not an ideal at the moment, but it's, when it, when it happens, I kind of catch up on a lot of my work stuff just on the computer, which is, yes, not my ideal, but that's a whole nother conversation. And then I stretch. So I follow a stretch routine. So I try to make sure that I've switched off digital devices, at least half an hour before bed, stretch, read the kids a story before bed. And then we all hit the sack pretty early. Like we're all usually asleep by half past eight. So yeah, that's, that's our routine.
Anthony Hartcher:It sounds relaxing. Yeah.
Nadine Shaw:For a while, actually, it was kind of interesting because, you know, we'd kick back on the weekends when we were drinking and we'd, you know, get to sort of lunchtime-ish and might have, especially in the summer, have a beer. And there we would feel like we were right, basically writing the rest of the day off. Like you run out, you're like, well, I've had a drink, I might as well have another beer. And then before you know it, you're just like, you haven't got the get up and go to do anything. And now, we get so much done. But even that took a while to get out of that mindset that, like you can do things on Saturday afternoons. You don't have to, yeah, think that your weekend is only in that first part of the day because the rest of it you're going to be drinking.
Anthony Hartcher:Did this, from, from this experience, this, you know, transition to sobriety, did that lead into you starting your podcast? Like what was the initiation around your podcast? Was it part of your healing journey or part of your self-discovery journey? Was the, I guess, the podcast and wanting to share with others your experiences, and...
Nadine Shaw:It definitely started around the same time. So I think the podcast started in March 2022. So yeah, I had just stopped drinking. And I guess the timing was all just all worked out that way. But definitely, it has been part of my journey. I think that stopping drinking is a really important message that I have for people, you know. And also, you know, showing, sort of talking about it because it is kind of a little bit taboo still. And that, yes, the podcast, it's called Life, Health and the Universe. So it's about sharing stories, you know, and my own story. But it's also about introducing people who have great integrative and preventative health practises and also esoteric wisdom. And yes, they have all been things that I have used as tools in my journey because when I, I mean, I don't know if you want to go down this path, but it uncovers things when you stop drinking. And you kind of, I didn't even realise, I think it's so socially acceptable. Like when I look back, I have my first drink, you know, when I was in my teens. And I was probably an uncomfortable teenager. And someone gave me a drink and I got drunk. And that felt good. Because I wasn't, I wasn't inhibited by, you know, all of the awkwardness of teenage-dom. And then it just becomes normal. You don't realise that you're covering anything up. And so when I stopped drinking, and then, yes, I started the podcast, and I had these, I had moments where I was, like, wanted to reach for a drink. You know, it might be when I just released a podcast, for example, or I just posted something on social media, and I'd want to drink and I started to witness that I had some discomfort or some insecurities. So this is kind of a long answer. But I think it is an important part of the journey has been, yeah, that it uncovered a whole bunch of stuff that I needed to deal, deal with. And the podcast has allowed me to introduce, you know, lots of different guests that have helped me on my journey, and that helped to educate me, but that, I hope will now be able to assist other people in, you know, journeys of self-discovery and empowerment.
Anthony Hartcher:Yeah, you're passing that candle of enlightenment onto others to really help them.
Nadine Shaw:I hope so.
Anthony Hartcher:On their journey based on your experiences, your education, your learning, and the people that have helped guide you, you're sharing that now with others to really make a difference. And I, what I was hearing from when you're sharing your story is, you know, that awkward teenager found alcohol at a time when they were discovering themselves. And then the alcohol really put a bandaid on things. And that self discovery stopped because you had the alcohol. And then obviously, once you decided to take the bandaid off and remove the alcohol, then you had, you went, you've been going through that self discovery journey and really understand, you know, and getting comfortable with who you are and, and understanding, like the triggers that make you feel uncomfortable and stepping into that space. And, and, and that's really like a real healing journey that you've been on via the podcast has been instrumental in this sobriety, right?
Nadine Shaw:Yeah, yeah, definitely. Yes. I think it, it makes, there, there are definitely times when it is uncomfortable, right? Being who you, being yourself, but I see it, I see it as a real gift that, that I had that, like, you know, that nagging, if only I could give up alcohol, if only I could give up alcohol. I had no idea what kind of can of worms it was gonna open, but it's the same as with any addiction, I'm sure. Like it's, it's a, it's a, yeah, bandaid or something that just distracts you from, from yourself. So it can be uncomfortable.
Anthony Hartcher:Absolutely. And like meditation or mindfulness can be that bandaid as well, is that, in essence, it's escapism from your reality that you're not dealing with. And if you're constantly, yeah, you've got the reprieve whilst you're doing the meditation or the mindfulness activity, but once that's over, then life is still there. The issues are still there. And I think what you're going through now is the band-aids taken off. It's, it's starting to heal slowly over time, but you're allowing that journey to unfold. And you're sitting with the uncomfortableness, the awkwardness and really discovering yourself and getting more and more comfortable with yourself, you know, via the podcast and really showing or showcasing the world who, who Nadine is. This is who I am, waltz and all, you know, like there's no hiding behind the podcast. And particularly like interviews like this, where it's, it's all revealing, but, you know, again, this is part of the healing process is being open to, well, bringing to your conscious awareness of the reality as opposed to, you know, hiding it and hiding it behind a bottle of wine and, and really not dealing with the issue.
Nadine Shaw:Yeah. I think that we can feel quite alone a lot of the time, even when we're around others and sharing stories and hearing other people's stories, whether it's, you know, addiction, overcoming the odds, you know, surviving an illness or an accident or, you know, whatever it might be, or happy stories, we start to see ourselves in others and that can give us hope. And I think that that's one of the another really important reason to, to share our experiences. I mean, when you look at it, historically, stories are what have connected us for, for, you know, thousands of years. And yeah, I think that they're, they're very powerful because they do demonstrate that we're very connected to each other and we all hold different parts within us.
Anthony Hartcher:Yeah. A hundred percent. And it's really that becoming at one with everyone and everything. And that's, yeah, that's the journey that you're on, is that integration and really realising that you're connected. And you mentioned that, you know, as much as we can have people around us and, and this is what loneliness is defined as, is irrespective of how many friends you've got. It's whether you perceive yourself as being like fitting in or feeling connected, it's the perception. And it's not, it's got nothing to do with whether you've got a supportive family or lots of friends on Facebook or, you know, huge, you go to lots of social things. If you don't feel connected and you don't feel like you fit in, then you're lonely. And the science, you know, when we're, when we are lonely is really, you know, when you speak about health span and longevity, it's like they've equated it in studies to like smoking 15 cigarettes a day is that sense of feeling lonely. So it's... Right, wow. Wow. Certainly, one that you want to address. And, yeah, increase in all cause mortality, you know, increase rates of heart attacks and strokes. Yeah. So it's a really important one is that we feel connected and, and you're doing this, uh, through the podcast, right? You connect with people and you hear their stories, you can relate to their stories and you feel very connected.
Nadine Shaw:Yeah, exactly. Exactly. That's one of the wonders of the internet. I mean, it can be the internet itself, I guess, and social media can make us feel disconnected because we're, were just, you know, we're, we're on our phones, devices, you know, busy with all of that stuff and it can draw us in. But when we don't have that actual humanness around us, we can still feel quite lonely. And yeah, that, but one of the beauties of the internet is that we can be connected with many people if we choose to, you know, just in circumstances like this and we can use that for good.
Anthony Hartcher:I totally agree with it. It's all about the intention of why you use the internet or why you use social media. If the intention is to connect and, you know, maintain and continue to develop strong relationships, then that's, that's healthy. That's, that's good. But if the intent is escapism and just mind numbing and, and not dealing with your issues, then it's, again, it's like that mindfulness activity that really provides a temporary benefit, but nothing, not a permanent solution. And I think, you know, you've gone from that temporary, you know, bandaid to now that permanent solution that's now just a really fulfilling process is that self-discovery and realising that there's nothing missing and that you have everything within you. It was just recognising it. And I'm, I'm thinking that through these interviews and hearing the stories that you're starting to recognise that you have everything within you that you see in others.
Nadine Shaw:Yeah. Yeah, definitely.
Anthony Hartcher:Is there a particular, like you mentioned, obviously, that book at the start, the 30 days to getting off the alcohol, you know, getting sober. And then obviously the tracking and things like that. Has there been some instrumental people that have been like really fundamental in terms of that encouraging, that support, and that you'd like to acknowledge in this process?
Nadine Shaw:I would definitely, so I'll say the book again, it's the 30-Day Alcohol Experiment. So it's amazing, so simple. But I had an interview and it was just a coincidence that this particular coach came up and I had an interview with her. She's called Sarah Rusbatch, R-U-S-B-A-T-C-H, Sarah Rusbatch. And she has just released a book called Beyond Booze. She's a grey area drinking coach. So although she, I didn't have coaching with her, she's, since we had our interview a little, well, it was probably 18 months, even two years ago, she's like, her community has expanded. She's getting some amazing press. And she's got a, can I share a, yeah, she, so she's got a group on Facebook called the Women's Wellbeing Collective, and she's got her book, Beyond Booze, which she's released relatively recently, but she is a wonderful speaker. She's a wonderful coach, and she's just got a huge passion for helping other people, women in particular, but I reckon that, you know, she'd be happy to help men as well if they need if they would like to stop drinking alcohol, whether it's to cut back, whether it's to, you know, have some time off, or whether it's to quit permanently. She's amazing and she's doing such great things in the world. She's from the UK, but lives in Perth, so she's, you know, kind of an Aussie like me, an adopted Aussie, yeah, and she's just doing amazing things. So I would highly recommend that book and reaching out into Sarah's group, if, if there's someone who's listening, who who thinks that they could benefit from, you know, cutting back or getting alcohol out of their lives.
Anthony Hartcher:Thanks for sharing that Nadine, and I'll include those links to the book and to her group within the show notes. And you, you too are doing amazing things. Excuse me, I, I'm still getting over my sickness that I've had. Oh, that's all right, I'll listen. So, yeah, so I think you're doing incredible things with your podcast and your story's empowering and impactful. How can the listeners best connect with you? Cause I'm sure you're someone that can really guide them through a issue with, you know, alcohol and, yeah, really getting them to being their best versions of themselves.
Nadine Shaw:Um, so I've just recently created a website for the podcast. So I'm directing people there because I have got a guest directory, which I'm in the process of trying to get all of my past guests and obviously guests coming up into a directory, so that if someone listens to the podcast, they can easily access all of the information. You're included in there, Anthony. The website is lifehealththeuniverse.podcastpage.io. So if people want to check out the podcasts, you can have a look on YouTube from that website. You can, you can go to all the major platforms from that website. And you can check out the guest directory as well, to find the guests that are in there so far, and as we build on that, more and more of them.
Anthony Hartcher:Fantastic. I'll include the link to your podcast, the directory. And how would you like the listeners to reach out and best connect with you via your website? Or what's the best way?
Nadine Shaw:Yeah, there's a contact, there is a contact page on the website. So if anyone wants to reach out directly, they can do that. There's also the ability to record a voice message on there, which I haven't had anyone use yet, but...
Anthony Hartcher:Oh, fantastic.
Nadine Shaw:It'd be fun, it'd be good to hear it work.
Anthony Hartcher:Absolutely. So I encourage the me&my health up listeners to get on Nadine's page and to leave a voicemail. Yeah, send me a voicemail. That you've listened to the episode and you obviously loved hearing Nadine's wisdom, and you'd like to stay connected with Nadine. I really appreciate you coming on the show, Nadine. You've provided such great insight around your journey that can really be so impactful for others in terms of giving them belief and hope that it is possible and that it just requires being, I guess, opening yourself up and really going on a journey of self-discovery, which you've done and you've really enjoyed, and now you're providing a lasting impact on the world based on what you've been able to achieve. So I, you know, accolade, accolades to you. Yeah, that's lovely. Thank you, I really appreciate it. You're doing amazing work. Keep it up. Keep up the podcast and keep serving others. And I think you'll continue to find a lot of inner joy from that service of others and helping them along their journey.
Nadine Shaw:Thank you, Anthony. I've loved, love to have be on your podcast. I really appreciate the invitation.
Anthony Hartcher:You're welcome, Nadine. And thank you listeners for tuning in to another insightful episode of me&my health up. Really appreciate you tuning in each week. And if you have any questions, please reach out either to me or Nadine. We would love to hear from you. And if you've got any ideas for topics or other conversations or even guests, please reach out and connect with me. Until next time, continue to health up.
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