When you think of hypnosis what do you envisage… a man dressed in a tucks up on stage with a pendulum swinging side to side and his patient in a trance? With a sinister intent! Well, this is how Hollywood may portray a hypnotherapist however it is far from the truth as I learned from interviewing hypnotherapist Kobe Gowland. In this episode Kobe shares the truth around hypnosis and addresses the following questions you may be thinking:
Kobe Gowland is the founder of Level Minds based in Sydney. Throughout her life, she’s been fascinated with the mind and how we can optimise its function to live our best lives.
Kobe holds a Diploma of Clinical Hypnotherapy and Strategic Psychotherapy from the Institute of Applied Psychology. She is a member of the Australian Hypnotherapy Association (AHA), Australia's largest independent national registration and industry body representing and promoting the Australian hypnotherapy sector's interests, committed to achieving better options for all Australians.
Kobe’s passion for helping people achieve their goals and realise their full potential is why high-performing individuals seek out her expertise.
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Anthony Hartcher 0:01
Hi my friends welcome to another exciting episode of Me&My Health Up with your host Anthony Hartcher. A healthy man according to my children, AKA a clinical nutritionist and lifestyle medicine specialist. The purpose of this podcast is to enhance and enlighten your well being and today we'll be chatting with a hypnotherapist, Kobe Gowland, on hypnosis, so exciting topic.
I'm very keen to delve into this topic. Kobe is the founder of level minds based in Sydney throughout her life, she's been fascinated with the mind and how we can optimize its function to live our best lives, and certainly, that's certainly a pursuit of mine as well. So yeah, can't wait Kobe. Let's rip into it, but before I do that Kobe holds a Diploma of clinical hypnotherapy and strategic psychotherapy from the Institute of Applied Psychology. She is a member of the Australian Hypnotherapy Association (Aha) Australia's largest in independent national registration and industry body representing and promoting Australian hypnotherapy sectors interests, committed to achieving better options for all Australians.
So that's great to hear. It's a well well aligned association with my philosophy. So that's great and Kobe to passion for helping people achieve their goals and realize their full potential is why high performing individuals seek out her expertise.
So welcome Kobe. How are you today?
Kobe Gowland 1:45
I'm so good Anthony, and so lovely to be here on this podcast with you. So I'm very excited to have a chat today.
Anthony Hartcher 1:52
And I'm super excited to talk about hypnotherapy because I know so little about it and I'm sure the listeners will be some listeners out there that may have had some exposure, or may have a view on it, but today, we're going to get to show another side of hypnotherapy if you have a certain view on it, and you might have a positive view or a neutral view or a negative view, but today is really just to talk to Kobe, who's the expert and bring out what hypnotherapy is all about, and I can't wait because I'm here to learn as, as I'm sure most of the listeners are.
So before we start, the common question I asked everyone I interview is tell me about how you've arrived or what you're doing today.
Kobe Gowland 2:36
Thanks, Anthony and thanks for that wonderful intro. So basically, I arrived at doing hypnotherapy, really, by the kind of I have another business in the health and wellness space, which is more a product oriented business. So I've always been very passionate about helping people succeed and make healthy lifestyle changes in their life, and part of that journey within that business is a lot of personal development.
So I started reading and learning a little bit more about how I could personally get ahead in my career and my business and how to run a business by myself, and did a lot of personal development. So I read a lot of books, and I became incredibly interested in brain health, mind health, mental health, everything along that topic, topic way, and really helping people to understand that they have within them what they really need to succeed, and sometimes there might be some little tweaks that have to happen along the way or, you know, if we're not really where we want to be in life, what are the skills we're missing, identifying what it is that we could kind of grow or learn and make those little changes to get into the next levels of our personal life, our career, and our personal journey.
That's kind of why I've landed where I am and I'm incredibly passionate about helping people understand that, you know, they can make change in their life.
Anthony Hartcher 4:03
That's fantastic story, and I can certainly draw parallels to my journey to what I'm doing today. Very similar, you know, that self discovery and learning as much as I can about myself and how I can better contribute to society and you're finding out what's my purpose in you know, in society and so, yeah, I can relate to your journey and I'm really curious as to the link to like because obviously you could study to become a psychologist, if you love the human brain or you could become a specialist in terms of neuroscience and be a professor in neuroscience.
So why hypnotherapy amongst all these areas? You know, I know there's like NLP that also works with the brain and people do and NLP courses, but there must be a specific que to you or an attraction towards hypnotherapy. Was it a personal experience or or something like that?
Kobe Gowland 5:02
Less so personal experience, but much more, so understanding how the brain works and really understanding that mostly everything that we do in our life is run in our unconscious or subconscious patterning and mind.
So, you know, our bodily functions are all run in an automatic process that happens in our subconscious mind, we breathe, we, you know, we eat, we sleep, we do all these kind of natural patterns, all of that is actually embedded in our subconscious mind. You know, often people will say, Oh, I drove from work to home, and I didn't know how I did that.
Well, in fact that that's your subconscious mind that's actually clicked into gear, and it remembers a pattern that you've run, and it actually takes you home. So a lot of the time we use our subconscious mind when we're not even thinking about it. So while people can make change, you know, over time, yes, you can make change within your conscious mind, it becomes quite a speedy process, while we tap into that unconscious or subconscious mind to change and make make those behavioral changes.
So, you know, change can happen in various different ways, but I got particularly fascinated with that, that part of the brain that we don't consciously use, so I wanted to explore that further and I guess that's why I've landed here in in hypnotherapy.
We couple you know, therapy, which I use a tool, which is called strategic psychotherapy, with hypnotherapy. And that lets us break down that pattern of cognitive behaviour, and then really take you into a trance like state in hypnosis to deliver the therapy.
Anthony Hartcher 6:48
Okay, so let's, let's talk about exactly the hypnotherapy hypnotherapeutic or Hypno hypnotherapist approach. So how that works, and then we'll get into the strategic psychotherapy. So yeah, if we could just split those out and if you could just tell us how you help a person using hypnosis and what is hypnosis? That's that would be a good starting point.
Kobe Gowland 7:15
Yeah, absolutely and some people have had an experience with hypnosis or hypnotherapy in some way, shape, or form. There are a lot of myths out there that are surrounding this particular topic. Some people might have seen, let's say, a stage performance of hypnosis, and some people might have just heard things through the grapevine, it really depends on what you've experienced previously, but truth be told hypnosis is essentially a trance like state.
So it's the same kind of state that we're in when we meditate. It's the same kind of state that we're in when we go into sleep and out of sleep. So it's that natural state within our body, it's the same when we're driving and we do that automatic function, that that is all a hypnosis, a form of hypnosis.
That state of trance just lets you have what we call an internal orientation, it turns your focus inwards on you and yourself, taking away all that external stimulation, where you're actually able to kind of tap into that subconscious or unconscious mind. It's a very simple process, and quite a powerful tool that can be used, and you know, often people have seen different forms of hypnosis, you know, some with the waving of the pendulum in front and all those kinds of things. Truth be told, you can all go into hypnosis and all go out of hypnosis very naturally, and we do so every day. So it's a natural form of our natural state, I should say.
Anthony Hartcher 8:49
So you touched upon the question I was going to ask and you know, I've always noted that stage performance of that the other clock, the swing like a pendulum and the person going into this trance and so I'm curious as to what you use with your clients. I'm sure we start the clock that tangles between them and they just look at the clock, and they go into a trance.
Kobe Gowland 9:12
And truth be told in therapy when I'm in clinic, we use very like it's all just very natural. I don't use any props or anything at all. It's really up to the client to choose that they're ready to either open their eyes or close their eyes in a state of trance. I do find that closing the eyes does kind of take away that external stimulation a little bit easier.
However, you can go into trance if you have your eyes open too. So it's really just about resting back making sure that your head is supported and that you know you're in a relaxed position and then I'll guide you into a kind of relaxing your body and then you kind of go into the trance so it's very simple. You could do it at home by yourself. It's quite simple in that regard to putting yourself into a trance, but what we do we, the psychotherapy component, that's where all that therapy comes in, into play and hypnosis, you know, we do we talk about what's called a hypnotic patter where I'll talk to you quite quietly, calmly and a little slower than a normal conversation, just so that your subconscious brain can start kind of taking in all of the information, and by no means in hypnosis, I always tell my clients, it's very much that you are fully in control, you can wake up out of hypnosis when you need to, you can talk to me in hypnosis, you could have your eyes open or closed.
So the client is still very, very much in control and it's really just using the tools and power around suggestions. So we in hypnosis, and hypnotherapy, we make suggestions to the client along with different ways that they could look at different patterns of their behaviour, and just open their mind to new possibilities and potentially a new way of thinking, to try and embed and you know, use some internal commands to try and learn new skills and build their knowledge base, while using a subconscious patterning. So that's kind of how it all works but yeah, if you've got any questions on all of that, ask me, let me know, there was a lot of information.
Anthony Hartcher 11:22
That's great and you certainly did some myth-busting there, because, you know, there's that perceived myth around hypnosis that, you know, people can use it to their advantage and the other person's disadvantage, because they don't have control, but you busted that myth by saying that the patient, the client is in control, which is, again, you know, sort of that people perceive are they gonna hit and get put me under hypnosis, and then they're gonna ask me to transfer, you know, 10s of 1000s of dollars into, into their account, and, you know, as you just clearly said, that the person's still in control.
Kobe Gowland 11:59
Yes, that's right and we will make sure that the client feels that confidence, you know, that they're in trust of their therapist, to take them to a place where they feel very safe, and that they can come in and out as they need to, and also know that there's the only suggestion being made, and you can kind of take or leave that suggestion, a lot of the time, I'll make multiple suggestions in various different, you know, pillars of behavior, and the client will come away, you know, really focused on one or two of the points I've made. So we throw in a lot there within the therapy session, and then it's totally up to the client, what they uptake.
Anthony Hartcher 12:40
And the other question that comes to my mind, uh, well, first of all, I guess, you've clarified that you know, hypnosis is that there's many ways to get someone into that hidden, hypnotic, hypnotic, hypnotic state. So there's so many be words, I gotta get me, my vocal cords are out that I'm probably struggling, it's probably a bit beyond me but anyway, I'm doing my best.
So that hypnotic state, so it's very similar to putting someone into a like a, you know, a meditation, as you alluded to before, is that you know, it can be a meditation where someone's talking to you like for you, you know, likely you mentioned that you talk to the client, and you're relaxing them, and you're essentially allowing them to unwind, to switch off that sympathetic nervous system to reduce the amount of sensory information that's coming in, hence, why the eyes are shut and so it really is and so it's not a scary state to be in, because a lot of people have experienced meditate that meditation state or that drowsiness as they're dozing off, you know, to fall into a deepest sleep state.
I think that's another bit of a myth is, you know, a scary as to, you know, what the process is going to be like, and how will I be cared for, and once I'm in a hypnotic state, but as you said, you're in total control. So that's exciting to hear and now in terms of their strategic psychotherapy, give me a bit more. Its sort of it was a carrot dangled in front of me, is do I really want to know more about this as to what that is how it works?
Kobe Gowland 14:30
Yeah yeah. So that's just a form of therapy that we couple of weeks. The hypnotherapy so that really, we focus on the fact that everyone in society really has the ability to move forward and to go from where they are now to what their goal is or where they really want to be in the future, and they've got that within them.
Often we see that there's, you know, a little component or a small section of their lives. I swear, they're not thrilled with what's going on and that's why they come to see us. So there's, you know, a problem occurring, or they're not able to change a habit, particularly that they've got happening and I'll talk through some of the ways that hypnosis can be helpful, but with some strategic psychotherapies, that we really take the problem space.
So let's say it's your habit of smoking, for instance, we want to take that problem space, that thing that you really want to change, and we want to break it down into component parts and that's where the strategic element comes in, that we can't really look at it as a whole picture and it really doesn't infiltrate throughout their entire life, it really is really narrowed down into one particular area that we need to make a change and how can we break that down into their component parts, we look at things like fear of judgment, lack of distinction or process, kind of excessive rumination and that emotional frame that they might be in a belief in imagination, risk assessment, poor risk assessment, potentially negative expectancy, and that kind of critical voice that comes in.
How can we break down that problem into its component parts, and try and tackle each of those parts individually within the problem space. So that's where that psychotherapy kind of comes in and we use that to ask lots of questions. So rather than deep diving into your past history of why you feel like you are the way you are, we really focus on where you are now, today, in this present moment, what it is that you'd like to change, and how we could kind of patent out that you know, that particular cognitive behavior so that you can move forward into the future and help you break that down into bite sized pieces to make the change necessary to move forward.
So it's very much in that positive psychology space, it's very much into, okay, you are where you are right now, your past is, in the past, your future hasn't been written yet. What can we do today that will break or change that habit to move you forward into the future? So it's very empowering, we really focus, yeah, really on empowering the client to know that they've got what they have within them, and maybe they just need a few skills or a little bit of different pattern of behaviour to help them move forward.
Anthony Hartcher 17:30
Yes, it's really great insight Kobe, because I'm thinking your process really fast tracks results, in a sense, you know, I can visit the same person going to a psychologist, and by no means I'm endorsing a person, you know, to take one over the other.
I'm just stating the differences in terms of how I see it and you know, so this same person goes to a psychologist around they're smoking and obviously when you're talking at that conscious level, you're applying all your filters and hence, it's going to take a psychologist a lot, a lot longer time to eventually allow that person to remove the filters and, and really allow the psychologist to get into that deep seeded route as to what's driving the behaviour or, you know if we're talking about smoking, whereas with hypnotherapy, coupled with the strategic psychotherapy, I can see that being a much faster process because you're essentially tapping into the subconscious mind.
And, and there's less filtering going on by the person that they're really cutting to the chase, essentially, getting quicker to the underlying root cause of the problem, and hence, you're able to address it quicker, and so I can see how, you know, you know, I guess that positive difference over traditional psychotherapy, so that's, that's, you know, it makes a lot of sense to me as someone who wants quick results to, to really, you know, give hypnotherapy a go and, and I think you've really made that clear as to how it works.
So, let's, um, you know, we, we've just was currently in the pandemic, and in Australia, we're blessed that we're sort of seeing, I guess, the light at the end of the tunnel, and things are certainly opening up a lot more and feels that way, I certainly feel that we're back to normal.
But you know, there's other parts of the world that are still in lockdown, and there's, as a result of being in lockdown kind of picked up some bad behaviors around emotional eating or just you know, working close to your pantry and it just so easy just to go and get food and you know, and so you start forming these bad habits.
So, what are you seeing a lot of in this pandemic, in terms of people coming to you is as a brought out is that exacerbated? And certain behaviours that were underlying that just come to the surface because of what we're going through, is there any insight that you want to share as to what you're seeing a lot more of? In the current circumstances?
Kobe Gowland 20:15
Yeah, look, I certainly think like the pandemic is, you know, certainly taken some anxiety levels to, you know, higher but what we feel is really on it, we look at people on a Kanye average daily, kind of modus operandi and a lot of people will, you know, every different person has a different way but if you think of a cup, and you think that cup is full of anxiety or not, there's some people that run a level of anxiety that's really low, it's a drizzle in the cup, other people run a level of anxiety that's really at that top level.
So they're running that anxiety pattern across their life in various different ways, at a really high level and what's happened is, when a pandemic has hit, there's this really, you know, kind of go into the future, and we worry about what's going to happen, and this level of uncertainty has happened, certainly around the pandemic globally and what's happened is the people that have had that higher anxiety level on a normal day, have kind of just gone through the roof, and the people with lower levels of anxiety, it's risen a little bit in that cup. So you know, anxiety really is the underpinning to a lot of different things that we see and it can be linked to things like smoking and any other dependency or addiction.
And, you know, obviously, stress as well can kind of get heightened, obviously, there's been so much change in the job market, and people losing jobs or needing to find new work and that, you know, there's a lot of competition in the market. So people are trying to upskill and be the best version of themselves.
I guess I'm working across both platforms, people that really want to upskill and kind of fill that skills gap there might have both in you know, high performance in, in work workplace, in the workplace arena but both personally as well were, you know, perhaps he was smoking a little bit before the pandemic, but that smoking habit has, you know, increased and I see the same also with clients with, you know, you know, drinking a lot more and things like that, too.
So it's really, yeah, so I'm working across all of those aspects and one thing that's come up a little bit too, is that kind of social performance anxiety, where we were away from people for a long time through the pandemic, now, everyone's coming back together and you know, there's no longer so many zoom meetings, it's more getting back to presenting in front of lots of people and that's come up as a big topic for us lately, and some of my clients.
So it's really kind of getting back to basics and bringing those skills into play with how do I present in front of 50 people and feel really confident and be the best version and rise to that top and in my workplace, that's something that's kind of come up quite a bit lately and also, you know, some people really feeling that anxiety around switching that camera on Zoom and feeling like they're exposed.
So, you know, there are a few things that I'm working with clients on at the moment, and also chronic pain. So you know, when stress hits an all time high, whatever we've got going on physiologically can also get heightened. So I only work with clients in chronic pain, that have exhausted all other medical avenues. So really, when they're at the end of the line, there's nothing that traditional and one of the medicine could do.
We work on trying to dissociate the brain from the pain receptors. So that's quite an interesting space to which I've kind of talked it through a lot with different clients lately. Yeah, so it can be lots of things that we work on and you know, there's also the trauma and PTSD and lots of kind of bigger things too, which we can help with, but you know, breaking those habits, creating new healthier habits, and getting you into that peak performance. I really focus on so that's yeah, that's a little bit about how it's useful, what can be useful.
Anthony Hartcher 24:18
So yeah, it's raised a few questions in my head and I think I'll get back to what else I guess reiterating what you do is you get to that root cause and then you apply like so you get to the root cause of the problem that you know, and then you break the problem down into behavioural steps; and then so you get to a behavioural step that's not serving them and then you tool them with something that will better serve them.
So like take, you know, makeup something you know, someone is, gets home after a heavy day's work or lots of overwhelming busyness after the day and they want to unwind quickly when they get home and so they may reach for, you know, a glass of alcohol and that glass of alcohol, then compounds into a bottle and then multiple bottles and this is a bad behaviour they find themselves in, and so essentially, what you get down to is, you know that the patents have what drives that, and then you come up with more resourceful ways of which they can better, you know, a tackle, tackle, I'm a rugby player better, better, more resourceful ways to, to overcome that.
That behavioural step leads them on to excessive drinking, so this is the positive psychology you apply. So can you just sort of walking us through like a, you know, an example of how you would then come up with a better patent behaviour, or what, what is the next step after revealing the root cause of what's driving their patterns?
Kobe Gowland 25:59
Yeah, the next step is really kind of breaking those patterns down into bite sized pieces. So perhaps that person has got kind of a few, well, they probably got a president orientation. So they're really happy to take that drink. Now, because that feels really good in that present moment. What they're not thinking about is the future ramification of that.
So it's really opening up that Past, Present Future and where you sit in space, and where your mindset is around that particular habit, they might be fine with thinking in the future about the work they've got to do tomorrow but in the future, they're not thinking about that you know, what the act is in the present and we often see that with addiction or dependency on a particular drug, or alcohol or smoking even as well, that really, you're kind of just in the present moment, it doesn't affect you know, where you're going in the future.
We try and open up and that relates differently to all of the different topics that we're talking about. Some of them have a very different, you know, time and space orientation. So we try and understand what orientation you're using within that Problems space, and then try and kind of shift their understanding of, you know, really what's in the past is in the past, what's in the present, is here right now, but is that serving you for the future, and really kind of understanding where the ramifications might be.
So our brain is really conditioned to be one of the most creative things there really is the most creative object in the known huge known universe and, you know, if I said to you, Anthony, oh, there's a clown in the corner and is turning to look outside the window, and he's smiling, you probably already have conjured up that future image of that clown in space.
Now, that clowns is not real. So it's very interesting how our brain can run away on, you know, thinking too far into the future and creating things that aren't in fact real. So, a lot of the time we see that kind of imagination, or that, you know, you know, running away with people, and it's actually about bringing that back to the present moment when that serves you, and making sure that you apply that when necessary, just say, hold on a second, that's not real. What am I doing right now that makes the difference. So that's one of the things we look at, that's one of the very many pillars that we kind of try and tackle and get the client to see things from a different prism or different angle.
We also go into things like fear of judgment, and understanding, you know, whether our thoughts and feelings are valid, which ones we should actually listen to, or pay attention to, and which ones we should ignore. The human brain has 60 to 70,000 thoughts per day and, you know, it's really understanding that problem space, which ones are we paying attention to that serve us, and which ones are ones that we should kind of let go and let float away because they actually don't serve us.
So it's really kind of taking that and understanding how our critical brain works, how our fear of judgment works and then a lot of the time, when we see anxiety, we're really looking at someone that might have a future perspective, but really focusing on that rumination of a negative thought, and a negative expectancy of what's coming in the future, often, because they're concerned about, you know, things that they don't know, you know, that unknown uncertainty of the future, and that's kind of where, you know, where they go with that, too.
It's kind of addressing that negative expectancy and trying to see things from a different angle and one of the biggest things that we really look to kind of change and that's really where a lot you know, we can make a lot of change is in the process, or the lack of processes someone would have because as you know, words and thoughts and feelings are great, but at the same token, the world does not respond to those words, thoughts and feelings. The world in fact responds to our actions and what We do in the present moment.
So it's creating really healthy habits around creating action and activity around a task we want to achieve. So that we know we're actually physically taking those steps to the next level and on a conscious mind though, that's very easy to say, it's less easy to do when you're running, you know, lack of process in a problem space. So we look at all of that stuff, that's a lot of information but we look at a lot of that stuff and I guess like the full runner to all of it is changing your habit, and you're really going to change your life.
What you do today will impact all your future choices. So whether you're eating healthy, whether you're staying well, whether you're exercising and taking in nature and breathing, and having that breathwork ahead of where you're going for the day, that's all going to change and, and be the pattern that is going to take you to where you're going into the future.
So that can be applied across all aspects of the way you think about things, the way you feel about things, the things that you actually do and take action towards in your life. So I get very passionate about this because small, tiny little shifts in life can make a huge impact on where you're going in the future and what your life will look like, you know, one year, three years or five years from now, or 20 years from now really,
Anthony Hartcher 31:21
Totally agree Kobe and yeah, that those actions and taking the right action is, you know, is what ultimately the world sees, as you said, and I'm thinking, you know, working with clients around nutrition, that, you know, I see a lot of, well, certainly this carb phobia thing, and I realized having my background, how important carbs are to the human body and you know, they're not only just fuel, and they serve us and nourish us in many more ways and this is big, the societal movement towards, you know, low carbs, or basically no carbs and, you know, that concerns me because it's going to result in health complications and so I'm thinking there's an opportunity here to really help shift that client's mindset and get them to better see carbs for what they are, and, and how they can serve the individual.
And as you mentioned, you help the individual see the rationale as to why it's important and why they have a misconception about carbohydrates, and so, I'm straight away thinking, you know, so many clients here and, you know, there's, there's many clients I know, that are concerned about their drinking, because and COVID brought that on and, and I'm thinking, and there's probably listeners, as well as on thinking, but there's probably listeners thinking that, you know, there's friends and family members that I really want to help, but how do I introduce that person to a hypnotherapist, given this misconception about what hypnotherapy is, and about how it can serve our health and so I was just wondering if you could help me and help the listeners to better introduce a hypnotherapist as and how they can serve them, you know, how do we connect them with you?
How do we make it easy for them to take that next step as opposed to me saying, I think you need to see a hypnotherapist and they go, What What are you saying? No, I don't need this, you know, if I haven't got a problem in my head right. So I'm sort of want to avoid that. I want to have a gentle, nice approach to how do I introduce Kobe to my clients, and I'm sure the listeners would like to introduce Kobe, to friends and the last one. So, you know, help us and how we can do that.
Kobe Gowland 33:39
Thank you, Anthony. I look, I think that you know, it's always coming from a good place when we suggest to people that you know, this is something that you've heard of that was really interesting. I think a great way firstly is to share this podcast.
There's a little bit of knowledge, you know, the knowledge is really key here is understanding a little bit more about how it works and what it could in fact do for you to give it a try. I offer with you know, potential clients, some, you know, a 15 minute consultation to really get them to understand a little bit more about hypnosis, hypnotherapy and how it could help their current problem and also I have a webinar series coming up with much more information; and also my website too.
So website, Facebook, Instagram, you can follow me to get more information on how this all works and please reach out you know, if you would like that kind of 15 minute consultation to learn a little bit more with obviously that's obligation free but the key is with any therapy, not just hypnotherapy is really the client wanting to make the change and being committed to doing the work because I really work with people when they work with me and it's a really a bit very much a team effort. I can't tell you what to do. You've kind of got to work with me so we can achieve the goals that you'd like to achieve in your life.
Anthony Hartcher 34:58
Totally agree I couldn't agree more. It's yeah, it's like the ownership of health realize within the individual. It's not the government's problem. So, health is ours, we need to own it. We need to act on it and yeah, totally agree that we need and, you know, again, that's a societal thing that's been set up through free healthcare and medicine being so influential, you know, I think the whole certainly the pandemics been a positive tailwind, and people realizing that they can't be so reliant on medicine because at the start of the pandemic, there was no medical answer.
You know, now we're seeing a vaccine rolled out. However, you know, we do need to own our healthcare and to really embrace it and, and to work with health professionals like yourself, so I'll certainly incorporate all those handles, whether it be Instagram, Facebook, on how listeners can connect with Kobe and talk about referring their loved ones or referring themselves and, and how she can work with you.
She's offering a free 15 minute chat about how she could possibly help and so yeah, please reach out to Kobe, you'll just go to the show notes, you'll see the links to Kobe's website and her social media handles and Kobe I just really want to thank you from, from my heart as to you've really opened me up to hypnotherapy because I must say, you know, when, when reaching out, you know, always had an open mindset but with hypnotherapy, I've always had that, I guess, been very impacted by lack of knowledge.
And you really, you know, you've broadened my knowledge and given me clear insight as to how hypnotherapy works. So certainly, it's been really beneficial for me, and no doubt really beneficial to the listeners, I totally agree with you. The best way to introduce others is really empowering them through education and as Kobe mentioned, you know, share the podcast, and certainly, Kobe wasn't paid to say that we didn't even discuss how we did this podcast.
So that was just totally Yeah, Kobe speaking from my heart as to she realizes, ultimately, health comes from empowering others and so hence why this podcast exists and hence why I take an open mind to all forms of healthcare, because without that inquisitive mindset and without asking the right people, and, you know, being open to exploring that, you know, we're not going to get the best health outcomes.
There's always something out there that has the right answers for you and it's about having that inquisitive mindset and always questioning. So certainly, I think hypnosis is one of those areas that people need to further understand and to give it a go, because, you know, certainly I can see massive benefits for my clients myself and yeah, I really enjoyed our session today Kobe. So thank you so much for sharing everything you've shared with us.
Kobe Gowland 38:06
Now, it's my pleasure, Anthony, thank you so much for having it on. I love the work you do and how you empower people through you know, your nutritional medicine. So, you know, I've got so much respect for you and what you're doing. So thank you for having me and to all those listeners out there. Have a wonderful week ahead.
Anthony Hartcher 38:23
Awesome and for listeners, if you like this episode, as Kobe suggested, please share it like it and comment, please write a review, because it helps us reach more people and empower more others and get the right information out to others so that they can make better informed decisions.
So stay tuned for more insightful episodes, and have an open mind to your health. Thanks for listening to Me&My Health Up.
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