Discover the Transformation: How Quantum Healing with Light and Magnetism Enhances Wellness

Are you tired of feeling drained before your day even begins? Curious about how the ancient practice of grounding could revolutionize your energy levels?

Dive into the fascinating world of quantum healing with our latest episode of "me&my health up." Hosted by Anthony Hartcher, a clinical nutritionist and lifestyle medicine specialist, this episode features the insightful Dr. Sara Pugh. Together, they explore the transformative power of quantum healing - a cutting-edge approach that merges the principles of quantum physics with holistic wellness to enhance your well-being.

In this episode, you'll discover:

• The science behind grounding and its impact on your body's electrical potential.
• How to harness sunlight and structured water to boost your energy and mood.
• Practical dietary choices that support your quantum healing journey.
• The significant role of electrons in fighting oxidative stress and inflammation.

Quantum healing offers a fresh perspective on health, emphasizing the body's inherent
ability to heal itself through energy manipulation. Whether you're a wellness enthusiast or just looking to improve your energy levels, this episode is packed with actionable advice and groundbreaking insights.

Tune in to unravel the secrets of quantum healing and embark on a journey towards a more vibrant, energized, and balanced life. Don't miss this opportunity to transform your health from the quantum level up!


About Dr. Sara Pugh:

• Education: Earned degrees in Biochemistry, Genetics, and a Ph.D. from the University of Leeds, UK.
• Research: Investigated dementia, heart health, and addiction through protein folding and receptors.
• Anti-Aging: Pioneered in anti-aging and performance enhancement research.
• Holistic Shift: Transitioned to holistic health, focusing on people over lab work.

Connect with Dr. Sara Pugh:
Website: https://busysuperhuman.com/
Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/c/thebusysuperhuman
Tiktok: https://www.tiktok.com/@busysuperhuman
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/busy_superhuman/


About me&my health up & Anthony Hartcher
me&my health up seeks to enhance and enlighten the well-being of others. Host Anthony Hartcher is the CEO of me&my wellness, which provides holistic health solutions using food as medicine and a holistic, balanced, lifestyle approach. Anthony holds three bachelor's degrees in Complementary Medicine; Nutrition and Dietetic Medicine; and Chemical Engineering.

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Transcript

Anthony Hartcher: 0:06

So maybe let's talk a bit more about grounding and other ways in which people or the listeners can gather electrons and build up their, their, I guess certainly the potential there. Yes, there was,

Dr. Sara Pugh: 0:20

yeah, we can call it anything some people call it their redox. Other people call it their battery, other people will make it so complicated with nobody understand. But I think fundamentally with grounding because there's constant electrical strikes on the earth a lot more around the equator this coats the surface of the Earth with a negative charge and electrons just in very simple physics do have a negative charge. So if we can connect with the Earth with bare feet so our feet and hands are a bit sweaty naturally and they're designed by the Creator or mother nature or the universe to to be able to connect properly with Earth. So in order to ground properly, some people think it's just standing barefoot on some mud outside but you could gardening would be grounding because you're touching plants and things which which are grounded, a lot of people forget their hands can ground. That

Anthony Hartcher: 1:16

was Dr. Sara Pugh. And you've landed on the me&my health up podcast. I'm your host Anthony Hartcher. I'm a clinical nutritionist and lifestyle medicine specialist. The purpose of this podcast is to enhance and enlighten your well-being. And today on the show I have an expert in quantum healing. And as I've said in previous episodes, that 2024 is the year that I'm going to be sharing a lot of content on quantum healing, because that is where the foundation of healing begins. And I want you to work on foundation principles in terms of enhancing and enlightening your well-being. And so Dr. Sara Pugh is a anti-aging specialist. She started her career as a research scientist with a degree in biochemistry and genetics from the University of Leeds in the UK. She also has a PhD in molecular mechanisms and biophysics. That's a tongue twister. She also did a research project on the protein folding. And this is in relation to dementia. And also she her research led her down the path of looking at statins and cholesterol and heart health as well as dopamine. But it didn't stop there. Sara's curiosity went well beyond the lab, she actually left the lab to pursue a career where she could help people and spend less time in the lab working with little widgets and digits and all those things that you petri dishes that you work on in the lab, and she wanted to work with people and help people. So she became a Pilates instructor. She then went on to Reiki, she then went on to spiritual healing. She then went on to hypnosis, and she's just constantly evolving her skill set. And she also got a medical ketosis qualification so that she can prescribe ketosis effectively in a medical sense. So she's constantly evolving her education. She she has so much wisdom in this episode on quantum healing in terms of what it is, so it doesn't scare you off. So it actually invites you into understanding quantum physics, quantum healing, and then how you can apply that pragmatically to your lifestyle and what works and we cover this from a light perspective in terms of sunlight. We cover it from a water perspective. We cover it from a magnet magnetism perspective in terms of grounding. And so it's a very holistic episode, we talk about energy gain, energy losses, and how you can maximise your energy. There's so much insight so much. There's so much insight that I've invited Dr. Sara Pugh back on to the me&my health up podcast, and she's gratefully accepted because she can share so much wisdom beyond this episode. And we can go down rabbit holes based on what your feedback is from this episode. And so we can explore deeper dives into other areas of quantum healing that you want to know more about and how you can apply it to your everyday life. So without much further ado, I'd love to welcome you into the discussion I'm having with Dr. Sara Pugh. Welcome on the me&my health up podcast. How are you Sara?

Dr. Sara Pugh: 4:44

Yes, I'm good. Thank you. Nice to meet you, Anthony.

Anthony Hartcher: 4:48

So great to have you on. I've been following you for a long time in terms of your podcast and you share such enlightening information on quantum physics, quantum healing, and all things quantum in terms of the health and wellness space. So I shared with my guests at the start of this year that I really wanted to get more what I shared with the listeners, not the guests on the me&my health up podcast that I wanted to get experts on this topic of quantum healing. And so you're the first expert I have on this topic. So really appreciate you coming on. Oh,

Dr. Sara Pugh: 5:24

no, I'm really honored to be the first one. So that's great.

Anthony Hartcher: 5:27

So my first question to you and the listeners will be very familiar with this one is how you've arrived at what you're doing today. Okay,

Dr. Sara Pugh: 5:36

I actually just a backtrack. My degree was in genetics and biochemistry. And then I did biophysics PhD working on protein folding, but it was quite a sort of broad PhD it had it was multidisciplinary. So that's when I first came across quantum physics because I worked on fluorescence, and photons, and electrons. That's sort of the crux of quantum biology. So that's was my background. But then after a while, I got disillusioned with science because I worked on a variety of projects from genetic promoters in master dopamine receptors, which people might have heard of to do with mood and addiction. Then I worked on statins and cholesterol. And after working on them for about a year, I sort of saw through what was going on with publishing research just to push certain pharmaceuticals. So this was back in 2008. So in 2010, I left to do something totally different to be a Pilates teacher. And I learned lots of other movements as well from Somatics to Feldenkraisian's Olympic lifting basically anything movement. And that led me into sort of a more right-brained world where I met lots of Reiki teachers and people that did Bowen therapy, and I started learning myofascial release, and Bowen technique, because it again, things like traditional healing modalities like acupuncture and all of those, we all know that they work, it's just science at the moment can't explain properly. That then that led me into hypnosis, which it started off, I wanted to do therapy, but then I did a stage hypnosis, and I got sort of quite into close-up magic as well, because I've always been interested in unusual things. And having been a scientist for a long time, it's very lonely in a lab with chemicals and bacteria and stressed people. So it was great to get out and just do things with other humans. So that sort of a very sort of quantum approach about how we're all connected in some way and energy fields, then I got it, I've always been interested in supplements and nutrition. I've fallen out with supplements a bit more recently, just because there are certain problems with quite a lot of them. So I have been trained in medical ketogenic diets, which, you know, they're useful for everybody. And there's a very quantum reason of why we can look at food through a quantum lens. It's not just stuff that we eat it's information, lots of things I could talk about there. And I then sort of looped back into quantum biology around seven or eight years ago, because I think Dave Asprey was the one that started off with the blue blocking glasses, and talking about red light. So that's when I got back into sort of the more light side or the physics side. And then ever since then, I've just been finding new rabbit holes to go down, new clients to work with, problems I can't solve, and then I can solve. So that's how I ended up back doing quantum biology. Because luckily, I do have a background in physics, even though I'm not particularly good at it, because I'm not very good at maths, it really helps me to explain quantum biology to people because, you know, you know, when somebody say like Einstein or Jack Cruz, they're so above us in intelligence, they're not able to bring it back down to earth and show people okay, well, there's all of this physics, but all people want to know is how do I make it practical? How can I explain it very simply to my family, or my partner of why I'm doing this. And that's why it's actually an advantage. I'm not particularly good at maths, because I've only got a limited way I can explain quantum physics. And luckily, it's something that resonates with the general public. And also people are interested in health. We all know so many things work, you know, sometimes everything works if you actually persist with it. So I think looking through a quantum lens has really helped me to, you know, understand how all these different modalities work, how nutrition works, how minerals work, how light works, and it's also very unifying with other practitioners because I'm not into all of this, I'm right and you're wrong. I'm all about, I know how to do this and you know how to do that. I understand how your way works. I just don't know how to practice in that way. So I just tend to stick with my physics and my sort of 20 um, so years of experience, and then see if I can share the quantum perspective with people because it can help give them sort of a reason or confidence into why what they're doing is working. And I think if you believe in your own therapy, you know, the whole putting positive thoughts into the quantum field, not doubt, I think it helps a lot with sort of holistic medicine because there's all sorts of wrong with scientific research, and it really hates anything holistic. Whereas if you break holistic medicine down to into sort of looking at it through a quantum lens, it's we can see easily why that's working, and why mainstream medicine tries to stuff it under the carpet.

Anthony Hartcher: 10:41

Yeah, there's so much to dig into, from what you've shared. And I'm really keen to really just get into the definition of quantum because we may have lost some listeners already. It's talking about this whole thing of quantum physics, but you're really good at explaining it. And, you know, having followed followed you for quite some time, I think you can really relate to the general public. So if you could just share in terms of what is like quantum healing and how it relates to quantum physics and, and how it can really support us in being well.

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Dr. Sara Pugh: 11:57

Okay, I suppose with quantum or quanta just mean a K. means pocket. So light comes in a quanta or a packet. But also, quantum can mean quantum mechanics where we look at what are the subatomic particles doing so before any listeners run away, if we just think about hydrogen and the sun, for example, that's the way the sun works. It's a giant ball of plasma, and it's 93% hydrogen. And the way in which the hydrogen and deuterium there are people have got different theories of how the sun makes light, and heat. But we all agree that the sun, we can't live without it. And hydrogen is what powers it. So obviously, hydrogen is something really important on an on a big level. And the sun again, powers our circadian rhythms, our body clocks. And that's also that's part of quantum biology as well, because it relates to how light controls biology. And then inside the body, it's a very sort of, we jump from the sun to inside us, hydrogen is the universal giver of energy, because it does so much in the body. It's everywhere, there's a molecule in the body, there's hydrogen attached to it, and it moves around in the body and participates in reactions. It's part of our water battery, which is sort of a semiconductor system, people don't need to worry too much about the terminology. But again, we are fundamentally a water battery with other sorts of energy systems on top and hydrogen being part of water is really important energetically, then hydrogen is so small, it's a brilliant antioxidant. And I'm sure lots of your listeners have heard about antioxidants, whereas because hydrogen is so tiny, it can get everywhere in the cell, whereas lots of commercial antioxidants that people buy just simply too big. And they can't get past the sort of water, the hydration in the body, because every single surface in our body is coated with water. And some things can't get through. But hydrogen can just get through whenever it wants. And just on a simple level, I've got microbiome makes hydrogen for us, not just I'm not talking about just protons I make I mean molecular hydrogen as well. And everybody knows that having a healthy gas is important. And there's lots of different reasons why and I'm just skipping hydrogen as an example. Then if we look at another thing that you might find as a sub-atomic, hydrogen, I would say is an atom but if we go inside the hydrogen, it's got an electron. And people who probably heard of electrons in terms of current flowing in, whereas again, we are a water being, but we're also an electric being as well. None of modern medicine doubt this in any way. We've got ECGs and EGS. And we know the brain's electrical hearts, electrical. So these electrons, they provide the electric current in the body. So when we look at a wire, people think it's the electrons carrying energy, but they actually make an electric field, but they're still really important. And I just say to people, in order to function well, the more electrons that you've got, which you can get from grounding, you can get them from water, you can make sure things don't steal your electrons, this is going to help power, sort of the information flow in the body because electrons carry information. And this quantum information is really important when we do talk about quantum biology. And again, just for simplicity for people, grounding is one way you can gather electrons. And I just say to people, it's just another way to charge up your battery in the body. Because in simple terms, if we don't have enough electrons, we're more likely to have inflammation or actually it does cause inflammation. So if we've got an imbalance between electrons and protons, it's not that hydrogen or protons are bad, it's the fact we don't have enough electrons that creates inflammation. And then another very important quantum molecule is deuterium, which is an isotope of hydrogen. So we may or may not talk about this, I'm not sure but if people have too much deuterium and not enough hydrogen, then they can get inflammation as well. And just in sort of keeping it simple for today, most diseases revolve around having too much inflammation and bore too much stress. And there are so many different ways we can talk about health. So that's how I look at things would be about how hydrogens and also carbon is really important in the body, but also just talking about electrons with people because it's kind of something we've heard of in school, but maybe you didn't realise that were full of them as well. And all the electrons in our body because they carry information, they know exactly what they're supposed to do and where they're supposed to go. They don't just buzz around inside us like a big swarm of bees, they're all everything's carrying quantum information and going where it's supposed to go and doing what it's supposed to do. And the other reason that the quantum physics confuses people so much is because first of all, it's invisible. And secondly, the laws of sort of ordinary physics like Newton's law, when we get down to the quantum level, it's very, very unusual and weird what happens. So atoms or molecules can be in several places all at the same time, they can do that sort of down at the molecular level inside, say, a cell. And obviously, we know that we can't be in two places at once. And also, electrons can travel through matter, for example, in the mitochondria, that your listeners may be aware of our cellular batteries that the electrons tunnel down the electron transport chain, but they're actually traveling through matter because there's stuff in the way but me and you know that we can't travel through a wall. So this idea of, you know, when we get very, when we get down to the quantum level with biology there, it's all paradoxical. But it's also really interesting and exciting. And it's also a whole new field, that our ancestors knew a lot about this, for example, Sophia isn't Cabalists. And Charmin, they just didn't know how to explain it, because microscopes and things and Einstein wasn't around then. So it's something that it's not new, it's just were beginning to understand how we work at a sort of quantum level,

Anthony Hartcher: 18:04

I really appreciate what you've just shared there. And there's so much you've go on about in terms of delving into particular areas, but I'm really keen to you spoke about the charging the battery and gathering electrons. And that's really important in terms of staying well and healthy. And you mentioned the fact that we can ground ourselves. So maybe let's talk a bit more about grounding and other ways in which people or the listeners can gather electrons and build up their, I guess, cellular potential there. Yes, there was, yeah,

Dr. Sara Pugh: 18:36

call it anything. Some people call it their redox. Other people call it their battery, other people will make it so complicated that nobody understands. But I think fundamentally with grounding, because there's constant electrical strikes on the earth a lot more around the equator, this coats the surface of the Earth with a negative charge and electrons, just in very simple physics do have a negative charge. So if we can connect with earth with bare feet, so our feet and hands are a bit sweaty naturally and they're designed by the Creator or mother nature or the universe to be able to connect properly with Earth. So in order to ground properly, some people think it's just standing barefoot on some mud outside but you could gardening would be grounding because you're touching plants and things which are which are grounded, a lot of people forget their hands can ground so you can sit say on a metal bench or a concrete bench and put your hands down and then those materials can conduct the electrons and and with grounding part of it is it makes people go outside. But also the other thing about electrons is which I was going to come into is we need to charge them with light. So that's Einstein's photoelectric effect that we are a solar panel. So we gather these electrons in and then we're outside in sunlight and then this light it can then excite the electrons. So again, this is part of us being a light being because we're where lots of things water, electricity, light, and we're not just a lump of meat. So that's how the combination of grounding outside and being outside in full spectrum sunlight is a really great way to charge yourself up. And most people will just notice this or know this anyway, the other thing that's really helpful for grounding is water. So kids like going out in the rain and playing in puddles and splashing all over. And then lots of adults like to swim in the ocean or swim in a lake. So when you go into water like that, it's sort of a full-body experience. It's full-body immersion. And that's like a super grounding experience, and you're outside and you're a bit cold as well, which again, is something that's beneficial for health. So there's lots of different ways to ground. And sometimes people forget that other materials can ground so. So if you have a basement or a cellar that doesn't have any plastic or anything on the ground, you can actually ground inside your house, especially the lower down in your house, you go because you're closer to the to the earth and the Earth's magnetic and electrical fields. And it's something even if people can't bear to take their shoes off, because I know a lot of people have issues with feet. And therefore you can use leather-soled shoes, or you buy grounding shoes, or you can make grounding shoes. And it's and it's not particularly difficult or expensive. So you get a double bonus, if you've got grounding shoes on I mean, you need grounding socks as well, if you're going out for a walk in nature, and to us nowadays, doing something like two or three hours of grounding is sort of a great feat. And there are some people that have been disconnected from the earth for 20 years and just connected to technology. Whereas our ancestor probably just grounded sort of nonstop. So it is something important to do. And also there are studies on grounding. And it's one of the best ways to lower inflammation. There are studies on cardiovascular disease. But it's one of these things, it's so obvious in some ways, scientific research won't fund grounding, because there's no money to be made at the end. Because it's like telling people to go outside, well, everybody knows you're supposed to do that. And that's wearing, it can be sort of regarded as a bit woowoo people thinking about hippies going barefoot, but it's actually fundamental to our health with this connection with nature, whether it's just being out in it, or actually standing on it from a physics perspective, and connecting and grounding yourself electrically, is massively beneficial to health. And also it gets people away from artificial light and too much TV and technology. So there's numerous benefits for grounding and so many different ways that you can, you can do it. And things like stuff, when people do stuff, there's a family going out and foraging, picking fruit because children love doing things like that and picking stuff and or even litter picking that's going to obviously ground you because you've got to constantly touch things. So there's lots of ways to do multiple things with grounding outside with your family and doing a service to everybody else. I sometimes do pick up litter because I don't know, I think it's just you know, you feel like you should give back now and again. Plus that the selfish motive, I'm outside and I'm grounding. Fantastic.

Anthony Hartcher: 23:13

It's something my daughter and I do on a regular basis is picking up litter. So when we say we certainly love a clean environment, and it's now the added bonus of grounding, as well. So that's, that's awesome to hear that.

Dr. Sara Pugh: 23:26

Oh, no, that's really good that you do that as well, because my dad was really obsessed with the litter, and he used to get really upset about it. But the amount of litter or trash if people depending on what they want to call it, it just seems to grow and is quite interesting looking at other people's trash. I mean, you can learn all sorts about what people put in the bin, but you never see a bit of meat or an egg. It's always Coca-Cola bottles, or McDonald's wrappers. It's always sort of the rubbish food, cans of Red Bull and beer and stuff like that. So I think part of it sort of reflect other problems that we have with people and their health. But that's great that you're the children round here do it because they get something like five pence per can. So they know that I pick up litter and and you know, obviously I give them all my cans, they'll go out all day. And you know what children are like with money that even a little like one Australian dollar, they'd get excited, lots of kids be excited at that. So I think it is something it's a really good way to get children out in nature doing stuff and they might protest for five minutes, and then they just get really into it. And especially if there's a reward at the end. That's

Anthony Hartcher: 24:33

a fantastic we should start off some sort of competition, a global movement for picking up rubbish and rewarding, rewarding people for doing so. I was just thinking in terms of the grounding. Obviously, the more the merrier. In terms of spending time outside and you know, feet on the ground. What's the minimum that you'd suggest that someone sort of start starting out there's just this is a bit unfamiliar to them and what what would you suggest as a bare minimum? Oh

Dr. Sara Pugh: 24:59

yeah, that's a brilliant question because I always say with anything quantum in nature, the bigger your problem, the more you need to ground. Because just to backtrack, before I make some suggestions, we can get electrons from food as well, but only 30% of our electrons come from food. So if we're never charging up our electrons with the sun and never grounding, the body is going to ask us for more and more food electrons, and a lot of people, you know, food and weight is a big issue to them. So from that level, if somebody was struggling with their weight, and they know what they should be doing, and it just seems to be they can't stop eating food electrons, somebody like that, they would need to do more grounding than say, somebody who's pretty healthy, but has heard about and wants to start doing it. So as a sort of, for a brand new person, the best time to do grounding would be to see the sunrise and ground because that's basically setting your body clock for the day. And also you're grounded. So you're sucking in electrons, especially if you sort of slept in a bedroom with tech in a flat. So now you can go back down, charge yourself up, but also seeing the sunrise is absolutely vital for your body clock. And because sunrise is actually quite spectacular. Some people try to say, Well, I've done two minutes, I want to come in now I'd say well, you know, give it a chance, you know, maybe take a drink out there, maybe walk around a bit. So I would say for a completely brand new person to try to do 10 minutes. And if they can't make the sunrise, then the morning sun, about two hours after sunrise, when the UV lights out, that's another time you get another bonus. And it's usually a bit warmer, then I know it's really warm in Australia at the moment. But in the winter, that will be another time to go out when it's warmer, and maybe do your grounding then. But rarely, it's like when you try to get people to exercise for the first time, I always say to people, 30 minutes is the absolute sort of minimum to get benefits, but you can split it up into 3-10 minute blocks. So I would say for people with the grounding, if they could do 3-10 minute blocks, that that would be brilliant, that's a really good start. But if they can't manage that, just to start off with 10 minutes at sunrise, because they're getting another bonus for their bodies, and then find ways to just take their shoes off. Because the more you go outside, the more opportunities you've got to touch nature or take your shoes off. So somebody could go for a walk, sit down somewhere and take their shoes off and ground while they're having a drink. So once people know, it's important, it's very, very easy to integrate into your day. And the other time it's really important is when you've traveled somewhere because your brains all confused and the aeroplane set to the life force view. So when you go to a new location grounding helps to tell your brain where you are on the planet. And when brains are confused, they get stressed and anxious. And most people will say that traveling is stressful and causes anxiety. So if you can ground as soon as you, you have the opportunity when you've traveled, it can make the jetlag less, less bad. But it can also start to undo the environment of the aeroplane as soon as possible. And also grounding can be really helpful for sleeping, that the more electrons we've got to charge, the more energy we've got to let the body calm down and go to sleep. So it's back to if somebody's got problems, and they're not grounding, especially with anxiety, inflammation, sleep or energy issues that you know, the more the better. And when people have got a problem and they find something that makes it go away. They'll just do it by themselves, if that makes sense.

Anthony Hartcher: 28:38

Yeah, no, I totally agree. And it's a great answer in terms of it really comes down to an individual level as to how much they need. And you know how well they are how many electrons are actually, you know, what they already currently doing versus you know, what they're not doing, and so that, you know, those that aren't doing much are going to need more. And so that's a really good guidance as to how they can go about helping themselves. I set a goal this year was to get out and see the sunrise every morning and this morning, I was out on the beach, walking barefoot up and down the waterline. So that was one way I was grounding at the same time getting charged up by the rising sun. So it's a little routine that I've set up and I love it. It's fantastic.

Dr. Sara Pugh: 29:25

Oh, that's brilliant. Yes, because definitely grounding on the beach, in the wet sand and at the sea. That's almost that's like a sort of super groundings. And again, not everybody has access to a beach but if you do, it's a complete waste not to use it. So I definitely agree with that. And then even for people who, like I said, you can get grounding shoes for the walk people that walk a lot and just think oh, I did nobody tells me about grounding shoes. I'll just get them so again, for some people, it's really easy to get hours of grounding in because they're outside all the time anyway and you don't need to necessarily buy another shoe you can buy things to attach to your shoe, and they're not quite as good as, obviously, it's nothing's better than bare feet, but anything's better than nothing. So you know, and again, grounding in nature away from electricity is really important because I'm not a fan of grounding sheets and plugging things into the mains and stuff like that just because it's an alien magnetic, electromagnetic field. But again, I'm working on sort of making this course and this program for people where it's poor, acceptable, good and excellent. Because I have had clients, if they just do everything that's acceptable, they get better. And obviously, as you know, there are people who want to do everything perfectly. And they actually never get better because they're trying to be a perfectionist, and they've become obsessed. So I always say, anything that you do that you weren't doing before is better than nothing. And then once you understand how important it is, you'll just start doing it more by yourself. Because it's natural, it's natural to go outside, it's natural to be connected to planet Earth. Humans don't like being disconnected from the universe, or tribes or other people, that they just get sucked into modern living and technology and being connected to Instagram and that they forget where they're meant to be connected. So they'll naturally embrace it by themselves. And I think like you said, if you've got something wonderful, like a beach nearby, or a forest, you know, you should use it.

Anthony Hartcher: 31:20

Well, 100% Sara, just thinking in terms of you mentioned, the gathering of electrons, obviously groundings are a good source of gathering electrons. You mentioned food, you know, electrons from food, and then you've spoken about losing electrons. So is there any other ways in which we can gather electrons other than grounding, food? Yeah,

Dr. Sara Pugh: 31:43

there's, if you make structured water, which is the exclusion zone water, or living water or coherent water, It arranges itself into hexagons, and each hexagon pops out an electron. And this is because this is all completely natural, even though it sounds wooish. But when you have water that's crashed around in our water system and been chlorinated and pushed through pipes, it actually loses a lot of its coherence, or it's sort of dead traumatised water. So structuring water, there's so many different ways you can do that. Even if you just put it out in the sun, you're giving it the water its life back, which that's how it would have been before we have used it. But then the other very important thing I want to say about electrons are is there are things that steal them like alcohols and oxidising agents. So that's going to steal electrons, and then fluoride in the water, that's the most electronegative elements in the periodic table, and it wants everything, so everybody's electrons for itself. So that's one of the big issues with fluoride in the drinking water. And because you mentioned use of touched on food, I always think clean water as in distilled, and then remineralised, just to get the fluoride and the other 40,000 things out. That's something that's on a par with grounding, that it's not expensive to do that you don't need to buy a $5,000 house filter, you can buy a tabletop distiller, and then by putting minerals back in is very easy. And it's normal. That's how our water would have been before we made it dirty. So I think a lot of what I'm going to is just going back to how it should be with nature and having clean water that's got minerals in it that's alive again, because our ancestors would have just taken water out of rivers. So it would be flowing and vortexing. And out in the sun anyway. So it's, it's nothing wooish that people have invented. And also it's free anyway, pretty much so nobody makes any money out of you doing that with your water. And then I think also technology is a big problem with electron stealing, because it's going to collapse some of your water battery, it shrinks the exclusion zone. And each hexagon, as I said, provided one electron. So if you shrink your exclusion zone water, the hexagons have gone now and so as the electron so if people do do a lot of stuff on tech, they can nip out for grounding breaks as soon as they can, because you can just tackle such stuff out of view, but you can then go outside and charge back up and then come back because I appreciate people do have jobs being included that involves technology. So I think it's just knowing how to recharge after you've been working a lot on tech so that you can refresh yourself regularly. Then there's one there's two more things I think it's really interesting. So DHA, which is an Omega-3 that comes from mainly seafood that provides a lot of electrons and places where there's less noise very cold like Scandinavia that they are going to rely more on sort of food electrons from DHA because, yes, they can go outside, but it's sometimes it's ridiculously cold. And DHA is really interesting because it also turns light into electric current in the body. And that's how it's set up. Why one of the reasons it's so important for our brains. It is this the way in which the DHA and the electrons it brings, they know exactly what they're supposed to do exactly what they're supposed to do in the brain regarding signaling. And there's sort of very compelling evidence from people like Dr. Michael Crawford of how important DHA is for our brains and for our nervous system. And then finally, another way to get electrons is melanin. So that would be people think melanin is just something that is a suntan. But it's way more than that, because it's something called a black hole pigment. So it can absorb all wavelengths of light, and it can emit light. It's also because of this, it likes to gather everything in melanin can absorb toxins. But the other really interesting thing that melanin does, it can split water and then it melanin can make the water inside you break up into four electrons, hydrogen and molecular oxygen. So your suntan can effectively provide electrons and energy for you. Because with our bodies, we're constantly making and breaking things down. And if your body needs something, say, the melanin on the skin, it'll sense so hang on, why should that melanin be out there, I'll pull some in. And then I'll use it for maybe there's a toxin in a particular area or maybe some area of the body short of energy, so it can pull the melanin in. And it can split the melanin splits the water. And then we've got now a supply of oxygen, which everybody knows we need and hydrogen, which I said is very important, and some electrons. So that's again, why another reason why not to be afraid of the sun, because that's where we can get our melanin from. And there's if we think about something like Parkinson's, the substantia nigra, which is in the brain is nigra, it's black, because it's full of melanin. And there's melanin everywhere in the body and all of our nerves, it's around all of ourselves. And it's also around the mitochondria. And it's on our on the outside of us. So it's obviously something really important like water and hydrogen, if it's everywhere, it must do something and it must be important. So that's, again, another way of how we can get more electrons.

Anthony Hartcher: 37:03

Wow, it's so insightful. So yeah, thank you for sharing all those different ways in which we can acquire electrons and keep our batteries charged. And also, as you said, in terms of what to watch out for around losing electrons, just you know, just discharging our battery. So it's really important that we stay clear of alcohol or minimise alcohol intake and and certainly filter our water to reduce the amount of fluorine getting into our system. Yeah,

Dr. Sara Pugh: 37:32

definitely. I think the other thing, because if you try to tell people, you mustn't do anything with it. I've got friends that love having a beer, and it's like, okay, we'll just go and do it outside then with your shoes off in the sun. But how people used to do so even if somebody says, Well, no, no, no, I'm not giving up my beer. It's like, okay, just for me, can you just go and do it outside. So again, like, I do have friends. And you probably know people that everything once they know something's dangerous, it's like, right, I'm not doing that anymore. I'm sleeping outside, I'm throwing out all my tech, I'm only going to eat strict carnivore. And you know, I'm never going to a pub. And you know, you can get really isolated doing that. And they again, as I was saying, the other aspects of quantum is like connectedness to other humans, and we don't want to get so obsessive and stuff that we actually become isolated, or we end up with kids going mad at us or our partners wanting a divorce. So you know, exactly, as you said, if somebody knows they shouldn't be drinking alcohol, and they're trying to cut down or they're trying to stop, but the more you tell them about things it's doing to cause more problems, they tend to be okay, right, I really am stopping now, but other people that you have to sort of think, well, if that's your favorite thing, just do it in a sort of better place. Agree

Anthony Hartcher: 38:49

outside or, you know, in, in a cold bath. Just you've touched on food a number of times, so I'm really keen to explore the subject of nutrition with you around this maximising our electrons means minimising electron loss. You've mentioned deuterium, and its impact on the electron transport chain. We haven't delved into it in detail, but I'm really keen to explore how we can maximise our electrons without the loss, maximise our charge of our battery, our redox with nutrition. Okay,

Dr. Sara Pugh: 39:27

so just the sort of very basic level as I probably touched on that about traumatised water, processed food is traumatised, non-food that has lost all of its quantum information, but also when we if we talk about sort of deuterium, the heavy hydrogen, anything that's involved in an industrial process, which is making processed foods gonna have a lot of deuterium in it, but also sugar has got much more deuterium than fat. Processed food is full of processed carbohydrates. Sugar seed oils have got a lot of deuterium about 200 parts per million, so to be healthy, we want our personal deuterium to be about 130 to 140. But when it gets over 140 and 150, that's when health problems come out. And glucose has, when people have measured it, it's deuterium content is 150 to 155. Seed oils, sort of over 200. So that straightaway just says to people that processed food has got a lot of deuterium in it from different angles. It's not just the glucose and the seed oil, it's all the other chemicals that they add in as well. So I would just say that the processed food is a deuterium bomb, then on the level of water batteries and mitochondria, the mitochondria do actually prefer fat as a fuel because it's less inflammatory. And it makes more water and it provides more electrons. However, it evolutionarily we would have eaten carbohydrates and glucose and stuff as well, that natural ones. So I'm not trying to tell people, you know, all carbs are evil, and all sugars evil, it depends on the context, because it's your environment dictates what you should be eating. And again, with tropical fruit, they're gonna have a lot of deuterium in them. But people who live where the tropical fruit grow, can deplete their deuterium in the sun, lots with the heat and stuff like that. So again, the fruit argument, I don't really want to get into it, because with fruit, I just think if it lives locally, it grows locally, and you pick it nick it within seven hours, you're gonna get information and electrons from it. And if it's just growing naturally, sort of in your garden, it just be wasteful not not not to eat it, it's more when it comes to nutrition. And also, that's a happy sort of Apple, if it just grew in your garden, it's not traumatised food, whereas this sort of thing, fruit that's been shipped all over the world, your goodness knows how old it is. And it's not the right kind of circadian or quantum match for where you live. So again, with the fat and and carbs, and protein, it's one of these things that also protein makes about it makes it a bit more water than than fat, but fat makes the most and also fat has the least deuterium as well. So it does make sense to people to tend towards a lower carb, more ketogenic diet. But But again, it's for people where it gets very hot in the summer, it wouldn't be natural to try and force yourself to do that kind of way of eating, when all the when all the produce is growing. But it doesn't mean you should gorge on the fruit either. However, like I've mentioned, one of my friends who was very once he decides he doesn't want, he doesn't he doesn't like deuterium, so he's never going to eat sugar ever again. And he's like that. So I think sort of in a fundamental level, it's just about eating food, that's actually proper food. I mentioned DHA, again with the electrons and marine foods contains a lot of minerals as well. And it's predominantly fat and protein. So again, just eating local and seasonal produce, and then well-cared-for or well-reared animals, chickens, eggs, dairy is an interesting one. But again, it's like raw dairy's totally different to something that's been homogenised and pasteurised. And that can be why people have got a problem with it. And maybe once they've improved their redox because when it comes to, to food, a lot of people just started to have reactions to bad food anyway, so they're naturally going to eliminate things. And that's why a lot of people go carnivore, because it's very simple. And it's not inflammatory. A lot of people can't maintain it all the time, but a lot of people can. So they by themselves find, okay, I'm gonna remove everything that's becoming inflammatory, then they clean up their circadian practices and be aware of tech and they find that their redox gets better or they have more electrons or their constitutions better, or they fix their gut microbiome. And now they their body's more resilient and more tolerant, so they can reintroduce certain foods like dairy tends to irritate quite a lot of people. But then once they improve their redox, they find they can actually tolerate good quality raw raw dairy. So I think with nutrition, it's a lot about what you're trying to achieve and is what you're eating right now moving you towards that, that that goal, but also to remember food isn't everything and it's very easy to get sort of sucked into the Food Wars or everything's food when yes, foods really important. But like I've been saying, we're not just a lump of meat, we've got this electrical component, this light component and this water component. So if you get too obsessed with food and biochemistry, and not do the other things, you're just missing out on sort of other sorts of pillars of health because you've got obsessed with the food. So but it as we all know, it is really important. I don't agree that you can just do anything you like, neat anything you like, but just do it outside in the sun. I don't agree with that. But I think you know, food's important, but there's a lot more that's more important. And people tend to miss that.

Anthony Hartcher: 45:12

And so in terms of like starting out, so someone, hears this conversation that we're having today. And it's sort of expanded their mind their awareness level of awareness, and they're sort of wanting to make some change to improve their redox. What would you suggest that they start out doing first and foremost? And then what would they then go to next sort of that that, I guess that sort of staged approach to like, I guess not everyone said zero to hero that will change everything overnight. But in terms of just making those simple, easy to implement changes, that will make probably the most profound impact.

Dr. Sara Pugh: 45:47

Okay, I'll just do the food really quickly. So that'll just be removed seed oil, sugar, gluten, and dairy, and just leave everything else. It doesn't matter about carbs and potatoes and just leave that for now, that's a very, that there's plenty you can eat there, then when it comes to us doing circadian rhythm, so that's your body clock to see the sunrise, then, and I'd say for a minimum of 10 minutes and grounded, then see the UV light. So that comes out, like I said about two hours after sunrise. But there are plenty of apps like circadian that can check because that makes your brain make things like dopamine, serotonin, thyroid painkillers, melanin. And then when it comes to the evening to minimise the artificial blue light after sunset, because fundamentally, if we can't sleep properly, we can't deplete deuterium, we can't heal, we can't heal our mitochondria. So this routine of blocking the blue light or the artificial light, so you can use blue blockers, you can get red filters on your devices and screens, you can check you can take the obnoxious LED lights out and change them for a more broad spectrum natural light and dim them a bit. Not not go to the supermarket shopping at 10 pm just before you're trying to get to sleep, and make time to make a sort of evening routine get off to the phones and screens sort of two hours before bed. 'Cause it's not just the light, it's the flicker from the phone. And if you don't put a red filter on your phone it the artificial blue light steals all your dopamine. So midnight instead of evening snacking or bad behaviors are more likely, if you've been exposed to screens and blue light all evening it sucked all the dopamine out and now your body wants to find something you shouldn't be doing. Because the phone's stole all our dopamine. So just with that, just sort of to recap the sunrise is to set the circadian rhythm, it's like the start and all lots of other hormones all depend on that sunrise. So if you miss that is like turning up to a football match late and somebody already scored a goal. So you've missed like a really important part of it, that then the UV rays, this is really important for your biological pharmacy. So I just say you can get high on your own supply, but it starts to make serotonin which your brain is going to turn into melatonin for sleeping and repair later. But it won't be able to do that properly. If you're just exposed to loads and loads and loads of artificial light in the evening so that melatonin is not going to it's going to get broken down. And then you're gonna get bad sleep or not be able to get to sleep or not repair properly, or not recharge properly. And then, you know, the next day, we all know when we've not slept well we're more cranky, we're impatient, we don't want to exercise, we'd rather just eat sort of quick energy food. So that's what I would say would be for the basic of circadian rhythm for for water, like I said, just distill or reverse osmosis it get everything out because filters sometimes are not great at getting a fluoride out and there are so many things in the water now that it overwhelms them, and then remineralise so just drink clean water. And then for the last bit for the grounding that sort of tied in with, if you're going outside, just make time to just take your shoe off, even if it's for sort of half a minute, you can take your shoe off and just put it on Earth and that's going to reconnect you and fill you back up with electrons, but then obviously stuffs gonna steal that later. So like anything anything is is better than nothing. So that will be sort of like a very basic way of where people can get started. And the end any change is better than no change and it doesn't have to be perfect and there's a lot more that people can do but if you overwhelm people you get the analysis paralysis or they can't do it anyway. So it's like giving people some things to do in different aspects of their health. And then once they can implement those then maybe move it on to the next level. And certain people really resonate with some things more than others like some of my clients will really massively go down the water rabbit hole and want to make hydrogen water and deuterium-depleted water and carbon dioxide water and do stuff with that and other people get reliant to light. And they'll sort of open their windows all the time change the light bulbs, they get quite religious about going out at certain times, and other people who've never really thought about their way of eating tend to sort of focus on that. So but I always think that you want to do a bit of everything, not just become a light expert and ignore all the water or become a food guru, and just never do any grounding, you want to always bring in as much as you can. And then it's the same for movement, it's like that's really important on a quantum level, because it's really good for our brain, our frontal lobes, but also when we move the fascia and the collagen bullets, piezoelectric, so you can make your own electrons as you move. And it's like anything, any movement in the beginning is better than nothing. Even if somebody hasn't exercised for 10 years, and they do half an hour of a chair-based exercise class, that's a really great start, or even if somebody just went for a walk for half an hour if they haven't really walked properly. And then anybody who's at that stage, no matter what there's always more so with movement, it's sort of like building your movement vocabulary that as you make more and more complex movements, or learn a new sport, or go into a different kind of exercise class or learn dance, your fascia is going to start to move about in all different ways. So again, there's sort of the the quantum side of movement, and anybody anybody who's a listener who was into movement will completely agree of how important it is. Absolutely.

Anthony Hartcher: 51:32

And what rabbit hole are you heading down now, Sara? Oh, actually,

Dr. Sara Pugh: 51:35

I mean, I'm in the carbon dioxide rabbit hole, but I've kind of nearly finished and then there's something else that I'm just into something called Cell salts. So I recently made a course on minerals. But like everything, what's in my head, I have to be really careful. Because if I try and dump it on people, even though it's obvious to me, they're just like, oh, this is I can't cope. So I've walked them through the basic minerals that they've all heard of it, and ones that they haven't. But then this particular thing, which is about cell salts, it's sort of delving into homeopathy. But again, our ancestors have been at this for ages, and homeopathy is now outlawed or contraband in the US. And generally, if something's helpful, it gets banned. So I'm just and with these particular 12, cell salts, they're things like magnesium sulfate, or potassium phosphate. So they're nothing complicated, and they're just 12 of them. And it's just looking at like the next level of just using something really simple in a very low dose. Once people have learned about the important other minerals, and they've done that, it's just, okay, there's more to these minerals than than just, they're not just not just a lump of crystal, that there's other things to them. So I'm just kind of in that rabbit hole at the moment. But I think it's one of those things, it's like, I tend not to go into like crazy rabbit holes that I can't share with people because the other rabbit hole I'm in is sort of the Dan Winter's rabbit hole all about the zero point energy and toroidal fields, but sometimes that's so abstract to it, say, my dad, or my mum, they, they would just be thinking you've gone completely crazy. Whereas if you talk to my mum and dad about minerals, and how they're helpful in the body, and how we can miss a mineral, and get a symptom, and how we don't need very many minerals, and that they're cheap, and that, you know, if it doesn't work, it's not going to hurt you. They would totally be alright with being a guinea pig for that. Whereas some of the more sort of Dan Winter's stuff and toroidal waves and cosmic towers. So my mom and dad is like, right? No, no, no, I don't want to know about that part of quantum. That's more metaphysics, but it's still quantum physics as well. No, I'm not interested. So I think it's also about with rabbit holes, part of it's my interest, but a lot of it's driven, because I've got clients and customers and I'm doing it because I want to help somebody else. So my energy isn't just focused on me and what I want because I don't really have any problems at the moment. My mum and dad might dispute that but in terms of helping others, it's like the rabbit holes are just as much for them as it is for me. In fact, they get more out of the rabbit hole, but then I tend to go down at first and I like to make sure I've fully got all the rabbits out of the rabbit hole because sometimes if you go into too many rabbit holes, but not properly, that's a real recipe for getting really confused messing stuff up. Whereas you know, I think it's great to go in a rabbit hole, but just stay in it and get all the rabbits out. Don't get tempted by shiny new object syndrome and then come out of the rabbit hole and then go and find another one because I'm sure you know lots of people as well that go down all these rabbit holes at the same time. And then they ended up worse than they were before and even more confused and even more mad. So totally Yeah. Which rabbit hole are you in?

Anthony Hartcher: 54:57

Probably the light magnetism and water. I want to get some mastery there. And, uh, you know, real real understanding, I'm certainly a white person, I like to get down and understand the why and the mechanics. So yeah, quantum physics and all that is right down my alleyway. So I'm really enjoying the rabbit holes, in terms of the carbon dioxide is that breathing oriented? Or what's that carbon?

Dr. Sara Pugh: 55:25

Because there's about 100 years of research with carbon dioxide. So you can make baths a bit like a face plunge because it's a very unusual sensation. And then your body senses too much carbon dioxide, and it kind of rushes oxygen and stuff into your face. So I'm very much more into that than people putting weird horrible things on their faces to improve that the skin tone, but then they're a source of carbon dioxide, the problem we have with carbon dioxide is, it's that a lot of people don't have any tolerance to it. So if they're sat in a car or sleeping at night, with everything all closed in, it can build up to about 3000 parts per million. So that's obviously massively stressful to the body. And it can cause inflammation. So you can also do sort of CO2 breathing protocols where you can expose yourself to carbon dioxide gas for six minutes just to get your body to stop overreacting so much to high CO2, because a lot of people sort of are reasonably tolerant to it. But there are other people that are really sensitive, and they've got no idea why they keep waking up in like 4 am with anxiety or why they hate being in a car so much. So there's, there's that sort of side of it as well. And then like anything to do with biology or quantum biology, it does all just revolve around carbon, oxygen, hydrogen, deuterium, and electrons. So carbon is fundamentally important. So that's why it being carbon dioxide I thought, I don't think this is like a nasty thing. But is a greenhouse gas. There's plenty of it's been a bit demonised. Let's look into why, why did hospitals always stop carbon dioxide cylinders, instead of oxygen cylinders. And most people know if you have a panic attack, you breathe into a paper bag. So there's a lot to be said about. There's different ways to play with CO2. And it's something that there's once people know about, they can look it up themselves, because for some people breathing a gas is like no way. But for some people doing a face plunge with fizzy water instead of ordinary water for a change is like a cheap facial, they might be really into that. And they can't really hurt themselves there. But also there are sort of just fundamental ways to retrain your breathing. So yeah, you're correct there, you want it to be rhythmical and through the nose. And then there are certain devices, people that can get to retrain their face muscles, because some people have learned how to breathe badly. And it's changed sort of their this facial structures, and it's subtle, but if we can't breathe properly, or we can't get the carbon dioxide out properly, or our breathing is all incoherent, and all over the place, it just creates more chaos or more fodder for the body. So it's like water. That's even though people think they know how to breathe properly, some people mouth breathe all the time. And again, it's just an interesting thing to explore. And I think again, I always go and dig out research and techniques that people have been using for hundreds of years that have been stuffed under the carpet by different big, sort of billion-dollar corporations that don't have our best interests at heart. So there's a lot to be said for older remedies that have got forgotten about.

Anthony Hartcher: 58:36

So much wisdom to the me&my health up listeners. I'm really keen for you to share more about your coaching groups, your podcast and all the other great courses that you do. So please share with listeners how they can reach out and best connect with you. Yeah,

Dr. Sara Pugh: 58:50

so I have social media and it's busysuperhuman, and it's TikTok, Instagram, and YouTube. And the YouTube there are some short educational videos. But then there are interviews with people like Dr. Cruz and Michael Crawford and Dr. Pollack and other experts in their fields, as well. And then little videos to sort of explain it because some of it sometimes goes quite deep, but a lot of the listeners like the deep stuff, but also anybody can learn how to end up going really deep into physics, you just need to start somewhere and don't get overwhelmed. Then I've got a monthly membership group that we have live zooms per week, and it's an open forum for discussion. And that's sort of worldwide there are people in New Zealand and Australia in there. There are people in the US in the UK. So I have sort of that option. And then I've got a variety of courses. So I've got a minerals course, a basic quantum biology course. And I'm at the moment making a new course which is all about, a sort of touched on it sort of quantum levels that there's all of this stuff that we could do, but how do I start and what's too much? What what what can I mix together so you'd kind of really touched on that. But everybody has to start somewhere. And some people, all they want to do is light and red light. And I'm like, no, you need to do other things. So the quantum levels course is sort of about, you know, you can start here, and then you can progress out. And like I said, I think before, I've had people who only ever did everything to the acceptable level and got better, and were completely happy, so it's sort of a way to have a sort of quantum roadmap as in how do I start? How do I not go to excess? How do I not spend stupid amounts of money by accident? And where should I be going? What options are there? And then how do I sort of so it's like a very practical course, because it's important to know the theory otherwise, it we could be just making all of this up. But then also, we need to people need to have a protocol, but there's, we're all completely different. So there's no one size doesn't fit all. That's why people keep asking me, well just give me a piece of paper and tell me everything to do. It's like it doesn't work like that there's situations change. We live in different environments, you know, one person might need loads of red light, and other person might need loads of cold, another person might have real trouble with particular foods, but but and that's their big place, they need help. So that's why we're the quantum level, it's sort of practical. And also, again, to stop people thinking they always need to be perfect and have the most expensive of everything that acceptable or good in different categories can make sort of really move the needle.

Anthony Hartcher: 1:01:36

and listeners, I'll include those links that Sara's spoken about, such as her social media, and also her coaching group and her courses all in the show notes. So they'll all be in the show notes. So just go to the show notes. And you can catch I guess connect with Sara that way and join her coaching groups. So just want to say a massive thank you, Sara, for putting aside your time coming in sharing all your wisdom with me&my health up listeners. And I think you've got so much more to share. I'll certainly get you on for another part two at some point down the road. Oh, that'll

Dr. Sara Pugh: 1:02:14

be lovely. It's been a real pleasure to speak to I've really enjoyed it well, well worth my you know, I know that you actually are in a different timezone and you've sort of specially accommodated me because I didn't want to do 8 am here because I would miss the sunrise, but you really kindly accommodated it and we did nine so I really appreciate that. You're welcome,

Anthony Hartcher: 1:02:33

Sara. I'll share like you'll get these reels on TikTok. And these will go on Instagram and so on YouTube and on all the podcasting app, so it's certainly going to reach a vast audience. So really appreciate your time and I look forward to our next chat.

Dr. Sara Pugh: 1:02:50

Oh yes, that'll be fun. Definitely. I look forward to it as well.

Anthony Hartcher: 1:02:53

Thank you Sara. Thank you.

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