Herbal Healing for Optimised Mental Health and Leadership Skill with Jodi Scott

Are you looking to optimize your mental health and boost your leadership skills through natural means? Wondering how herbal healing can play a pivotal role in enhancing your well-being?

Dive into this enlightening episode of me&my health up, where host Anthony Hartcher, a clinical nutritionist and lifestyle medicine specialist, explores the untapped potential of herbs in fostering mental resilience and leadership acumen with guest Jodi Scott.

In a world where mental health and leadership demands are at an all-time high, finding sustainable and effective strategies for wellness is crucial. This episode sheds light on how herbal healing can not only improve mental health but also empower individuals with the skills needed for effective leadership.

Join us as Jodi Scott, a health psychologist and the CEO of Sierra Sage Herbs, shares her profound insights and personal journey in the realm of natural remedies. From sage brain training to the holistic benefits of adaptogens like holy basil and ashwagandha, this conversation is a treasure trove for anyone looking to enhance their life naturally.

About Jodi Scott:

• Pioneering Health Psychologist: With a strong foundation in pre-med and health psychology, Jodi's expertise bridges the gap between traditional medicine and holistic health practices.
• Visionary CEO: At the helm of Sierra Sage Herbs, Jodi leads the iconic brand Green Goo, which is celebrated for its natural first aid remedies, promoting a natural and sustainable approach to healthcare.
• Advocate for Holistic Health: Jodi's journey in health and wellness is driven by a passion for integrating mind-body wellness strategies and disrupting traditional healthcare models.
• Empowering Global Conversations: Through her innovative work, Jodi aims to empower individuals globally to embrace herbal healing, significantly impacting health and wellness dialogues.

Connect with Jodi Scott:
Website: https://greengoo.com/
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jodi-scott-7234331b8/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jodi_a_scott/

Tune in to this episode of me&my health up for an immersive discussion on herbal healing's pivotal role in optimizing mental health and leadership skills. Discover how you can harness the power of nature to lead a healthier, more resilient life.

About me&my health up & Anthony Hartcher

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degrees in Complementary Medicine; Nutrition and Dietetic Medicine; and Chemical
Engineering.

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Transcript

Jodi Scott: 0:07

And I'll tell you like I went through kind of a nine-month sage brain training, where every three hours, I had to do these two-minute exercises every single day. And much like working out your body, I was working out my brain. And lo and behold, it works like I am the multitasker of all my attention. Right? My mom is great. She'll like, walk me through directions on you know, I don't know, heaven forbid, have having to read a manual to like build something. And I just gloss over. And so it wasn't too long ago where she was like walking through some instructions with me. And she's like, you're still with me? I'm like, oh, yeah, I'm present. I'm right here. She's like, wow, your sage brains like thing that exercise you're doing is like really working. But it's almost like you're you know, I call it the Jedi you can stay in that place. And your decision making becomes more optimal. So as an entrepreneur, I appreciate that component of it as well. But really more just my overall like health and well-being is better. That was

Anthony Hartcher: 1:14

Jodi Scott, a health psychologist and the CEO of Sierra Sage Herbs, who own the iconic brand, Green Goo, which is natural first aid remedies. And I've brought Jodi on the show the me& my health up podcast to enlighten you about mental health and sleep. Yes, you're on the me&my health up podcast and I'm your host, Anthony Hartcher, a clinical nutritionist and lifestyle medicine specialist. The purpose of this podcast is to enhance and enlighten your well-being. And today Jodi's going to be doing that with all her knowledge around health, wellness, herbs, and everything natural. So without much further ado, I'd love to welcome you into the discussion I'm having with Jodi Scott. Welcome on the me&my health up podcast. How are you, Jodi?

Jodi Scott: 2:07

I'm doing great. How are you doing?

Anthony Hartcher: 2:09

Fantastic. It's a really hot day here in Sydney. So feeling the heat.

Jodi Scott: 2:14

There you go. Well, it's a cold day in Colorado. So maybe I need to pop over to Sydney and warm up a little.

Anthony Hartcher: 2:22

Yeah, we're two poles or two opposite ends of the world. Right? You can come here and cold plunge. Yeah. You've come here or do they? Very go. Yeah. Perfect. So so great to have you on Jodi, I'd love you to share with listeners how you've arrived or what you're doing today.

Jodi Scott: 2:40

Thank you. So yes, it's been quite the journey. I was pre-med got my master's in health psychology. And I was training resident physicians on the bio-psychosocial model, which is when I really became passionate about disrupting medicine and looking at it from a more holistic mind-body approach. And then my sister is an herbalist and a midwife, and ayurvedic practitioner. And she was learning the practice of making topical therapeutics from plants making these wonderful medicinal salves and balms. And my mom's kind of a self-taught computer programmer, website developer. And, you know, the three of us got together, and we're just sharing our observations of, you know, wanting to be a part of the natural movement and how important it was to us. And one of the observations we made in our own home was that, you know, here we were making really healthy choices, generally speaking, but when we opened up our first aid cabinet, that was the exception, like, open up your first aid cabinet, and here's all the chemicals. And I thought, you know, my daughter was a year old and I was really starting to think like, is there a natural antiseptic or a natural, you know, hydrocortisone and then in that journey, I started studying just the space in general and I found we weren't alone. You know, the natural consumer was willing to abandon their natural ethos because they were told things like neosporin, hydrocortisone, calamine, you know, these typical chemical laden per se products were the only ones that could get the job done. And then the conventional consumers like I don't really care what the ingredients are, I just want something that works better. And here we're seeing like exponential rates of chronic skin conditions and everything that's over the counter is for acute skin conditions use for five days. If symptoms don't discontinue, you will have kidney failure and go to your doctor. You know, we thought can we make plant-based alternatives that are superior in efficacy, are more sustainable, and you know, bring a little bit of personality and fun and plant-based to the space and so Green Goo was born. Fantastic.

Anthony Hartcher: 4:49

What a amazing backstory in terms of your journey and combining it with your sister's expertise. You've been able to work together and build a an incredible company that's providing natural first aid products. So let's, let's talk a little bit about the mental health side of things given the combination of your two experience, the psychology and also the herbs, I'd love to hear about how we can utilise herbs for to improve our mental health and particularly around anxiety and depression given that they're probably at the leading forefront of what people mostly generally experience in their lifetime.

Jodi Scott: 5:28

Yeah, you know, obviously, anxiety and depression are incredibly prevalent in our society for a number of reasons. And I think what I've really enjoyed in terms of sort of this full circle with us and herbs is the fact that first I started setting herbs for skincare. And then I started learning about the relationship of skincare and mindfulness. Then I started learning more about the herbs that impact mindfulness, and how, from this holistic perspective, we can impact our overall health and wellness. And there's, you know, again, what kind of started this journey around 2016-17 is when Behavioural Medicine scientists started reaching out to dermatologists and saying, Is there a relationship between your mindfulness and can we impact our skincare and, and so that's when my full circle started. And we started looking at, even in our own products, could we put in herbs that help from a holistic perspective? So you talk about, okay, what herbs are important for, you know, mental health? Well, some of our favourites are like holy basil and ashwagandha, looking at herbs as having adaptogens and having properties that may calm the system. And believe it or not, we actually put this in our deodorant. So we found that, you know, certain areas of your body have a higher absorption rate. So we're like, well, if we have so much anxiety and depression in our world, and you know, we're making topical therapeutics, how could we potentially serve our customers more looking at this from a holistic perspective, and your armpit absorbs like 70% of what you put in there. So it's not just about what you shouldn't put under your armpit, but it's what you can put in from a nutritive standpoint. So we started setting the adaptogens and different herbs that work and so we found like two of our favourites are going to be holy basil and ashwagandha, and we put that into the deodorant. Now there's other things you can incorporate into, you know, calming the nervous system, and things that have like GABA components to them. And quite honestly, lavender, lavender and rosemary are wonderful relaxers. Calendula flower, that's another one. It has antiseptic, antifungal, antimicrobial properties, but it also has, you know, medicinal properties that help sort of calm the mind and I tend to take a very holistic approach to not only our skincare, but our health and wellness, we have an acronym that we use in our home and we call it SHAMAN and so S is Sleep. H is Hydration. A is Antioxidants, M is Mindfulness. A again is Avoid, avoid chemicals, avoid alcohol, avoid, you know, parabens and phthalates. Phthalates are an endocrine disruptor, which impacts our mental health. So thinking about not just what herbs to have, but what things to avoid. Phthalates are the number one chemical being produced in the world. The US produces a billion pounds a year, a year. And then these are endocrine disruptors that mess with your hormones which then you know, disrupt your mood. And then Nutrition, so we tend to look at you know, mental health and skincare in this very much holistic realm because you can impact your body and it's not just about the herbs that you can have, but it's also the things that you can avoid. And hemp is another great one I think you know, often it gets discounted because it's you know, looks like the cana... you know, looks like the marijuana plant, but CBD that comes from hemp and now mind you CBDs and a lot of products or a lot of naturally occurs in a lot of ingredients. But the hemp plant itself is pretty fantastic for providing a nice volume of CBD that can then improve your balance, your endocannabinoid system, which kind of creates homeostasis, and then you can bring things like holy basil, ashwagandha, calendula, lavender that helped calm and it makes that even like that much more productive.

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Anthony Hartcher: 10:24

And you've mentioned before, just the GABA in terms of making sure products contain GABA, and GABA is that calming for the mind or provides that I guess that non-excitatory stimulus to the mind through really that inhibitory sort of activity to the mind that provides that sort of alcohol sort of effects in terms of that calming. What products do you recommend in terms of where can people find GABA?

Jodi Scott: 10:51

You know, honestly, I take GABA, and I just I take straight GABA, and there's a number of different companies that provide, you know, a version of that a great time to take that is at the end of the day. So you know, as you're starting to unwind for the evening, you know, you can take your GABA as a supplement, it's a great time to take holy basil. As a as a supplement as well. That's also a great time for, you know, the hemp plant that can come in. Mugwort is another great one, it's one of my new favourites. That's when you want to have at the end of the day, and what's what's really fun is to infuse honey with mugwort. And you can put valerian root, that's another great one. And then make a nice little hot, like, boil some water, put some lemon in there. And then if you've infused your oil, or excuse me, I'm thinking body care oil. But if you infuse your honey with some of these herbs, and then you make this lovely little night tea, you will sleep wonderfully get really great dreams and wake up nice and refreshed. And you just find that it helps balance sort of the anxiety and depression relationship. Because sometimes when you get, you know what we find, you know, from a serotonin receptor standpoint, how those two work together. And you know, another trick that has nothing to do with herbs, that's highly recommended is when you wake up, look at the horizon, and really look at it as the sun is coming up and do the same thing at the end of the day before you go to bed. And there's a lot of science behind how that light comes in through your eyes and how it impacts you know, the different receptors in your brain to help balance out anxiety. And I'll tell you today, I knew better not to look at my phone first thing. And I did. And I started off on the wrong foot today it was that day. Put those phones away. And don't let that be the first light that you get in your eyes. Because you will feel the difference. When you look at that horizon. It's pretty great.

Anthony Hartcher: 12:54

Yeah, it's really working with that circadian biology isn't it as opposed to, you know, exposing your eyes to blue light, which typically they wouldn't see predominantly until the middle of the day. And so the that, you know, you could imagine for the body, it's sort of, you know, sort of waking up, and then it gets hit with blue light and thinking, Oh, just, you know, do I need to be in the middle of the day, or I guess that getting that sunrise at the start of the day enables the body to wake up in a response that's more steady, as opposed to Yeah,

Jodi Scott: 13:24

it slowly invites you into the day. And I think, you know, everything that we're doing on a regular basis is like, you know, I mean, heck, marketing, news, work, it is all feeding off of our survived brain. And so then it just continues to produce all of the cortisol and you know, adrenaline that then puts us in that fight or flight. And it's wonderful that we have this fight or flight system, because it obviously has served us well in terms of avoiding danger, but it is overexploited throughout the day with the things that we're exposed to. And so I think that's one of my love and passion for plants is it kind of brings you back to nature, which we know nature obviously has a positive impact on our well-being and for whatever reason, it also it draws you back to nature. So then you're like, hey, maybe I should go outside, maybe I should slow down. Maybe I shouldn't, you know, multitask and have a moment of being really mindful and, and we call that the sage brain here. We're always like in with my family. I'm like, let's continue to cultivate the sage brain because what you find is it kind of sets the tone for your Jedi as you will and that when you're getting this influx of all this survive stuff, you can stay centered, and that's very difficult. Combine that with herbs and some mindfulness is a great combo and something else I meant to mention, magnesium. Magnesium is another great one for calming the nervous system and you can take the magnesium orally and you can and there's some great combinations with like ashwagandha, magnesium or a great combo and then there's also like topical sprays that I recommend as well. So those are some good alternatives

Anthony Hartcher: 15:02

that holy basil sort of going into the evening, you mentioned that was a great way to sort of unwind and get in. So that holy basil you mentioned is a strong adaptogen. So it helps the body to adapt to the stressors and to I guess, modulate and be able to start to better manage the stresses. Yes.

Jodi Scott: 15:22

And holy basil is was a surprise to me when I first discovered it in terms of how effective it is, you know, I've always enjoyed kava, valerian root, lavender, those are some of the more, you know, common commerce, but holy basil, just based on you know, its molecular structure and how it interacts with the body. I mean, it's kind of like a natural Xanax without all the side effects. And it works well with your blood pressure. So it can help, you know, bring your blood pressure down, and there's lots of like nutritive properties to it as well. And there's food, you know, there's certain foods that I also recommend, just in terms of calming, which is interesting, like citrus, you know, has some great and it goes back to like my acronym that I was sharing, you know, in terms of SHAMAN, Antioxidants are calming to the body, it helps maintain homeostasis, and it helps reduce cortisol, it helps reduce stress. And so you know, anytime you can reduce the cortisol yourself after getting influx with it, you know, you're almost like, armored up. Yeah. So

Anthony Hartcher: 16:25

essentially, acknowledging that you're uptight, aroused, and then looking for ways to, I guess, calm yourself and better deal with the stressors that you're faced with. And some of these techniques such as you shared can really help just bring bring yourself down into that more calming state and better receptive state to be able to think more rationally and work through the problems as opposed to reacting irrationally

Jodi Scott: 16:50

and being present. You know, that's something that I've had to learn to work really hard at, you know, as an entrepreneur, you're always what's the next thing I need to tackle, what's the next thing I need to do, and you're always fast forward, and you'll find that being present, not only will serve you for your own mental health, but it also brings you to a more centered state where you can, to your point, make better decisions and realise what to do. But it's not easy to stay in the present. When we're constantly being signaled, right? And so that's where those little exercises, whether it's a handful of deep breaths, or, you know, rub your fingers, there's a reason why, you know, you would see people in meditation, rubbing those fingers together, because it just, it brings you to your center, gets you grounded, gets you present one of the exercises that I had a coach that would, he would have me do, he's like, okay, I want you to focus on the sound that is the furthest away from you. And every time your mind wants to think it's something else, you can only focus on the sound that is far away, and then you so you do that for like a minute, and your mind wants to wander and you just focus and now he's like, okay, now switch to the sound that's closest to you. And every time your mind wants to wander, you bring it closest. And you do that for another minute. And then eventually you hear your breath. And that was just two minute exercise. And then all of a sudden, you're like, oh, I have superpowers now. I'm good. It's pretty great. It gets taken from me pretty fast. But you know, do that frequently. You know, he's like, okay, once you do that every three hours for two weeks report back and you do, you feel a difference. It's pretty great. Yeah,

Anthony Hartcher: 18:24

well, so that's really engaging your hearing, and essentially just tuning into that becoming very mindful of your hearing in terms of, you know, focusing on that most distant sound. And then once you've tuned into that thing, bringing a I guess attention to the most, most closest sounds, so essentially, you're just really focused on that sensory around the hearing. And do you have your eyes shut when you're doing this? So you shut out the old? Yeah, eyes closed, and just engaging your hearing? And

Jodi Scott: 18:52

it is, and it's interesting, you know, I think that rewiring too, because they say for you know, every bad habit or bad thought you have to come back with 10 more positive thoughts, it to have your mindset shift. And so I think that's one of the things too, that I love about the relationships of herbs and these mindful practices is that it helps facilitate you to become more present in the moment so that you can continue to kind of rewire your brain to this place of presence, the sage brain, the optimism, you know, and I that's kind of my hope to for the psychedelic market is that, you know, we're seeing the positive impact on neuroplasticity, and the ability for the brain to learn. We'll call it new tricks faster. And if there's a way for us to perhaps, you know, rewire in a more productive timeframe to get to a place of a more settled mindset, you know, it'd be really great for humanity.

Anthony Hartcher: 19:57

Absolutely. Yes, I'd like to touch on psychedelics. But before we go there, you've mentioned the sage brain a couple of times, can you just go through the sage brain? Sure that

Jodi Scott: 20:07

we like to call it the sage brain. So that's getting out of survive mode and getting into thrive mode. And it's a very intentional practice of developing those parts of your brain. So one of those being sort of the auditory exercise and again, using that shaman acronym so that you're getting your body in a healthy state to be able to receive and practice these exercises. So that your default isn't to go into the survive mode. It is okay, fine, I'm going to be I'm going to be inundated with anxiety, I'm going to be inundated with stress coming at me, but how am I going to meet this? And can I default to my sage brain instead of my survive brain. And so that's what those exercises do. And I'll tell you like, I went through kind of a nine-month sage brain training where every three hours, I had to do these two-minute exercises every single day, and much like working out your body, I was working out my brain. And lo and behold, it works like I am the multitasker of all my attention. My mom is great. She'll she'll like walk me through directions on you know, heaven forbid, having to read a manual to like build something. And I just gloss over. And so it wasn't too long ago where she was like walking through some instructions with me. And she's like, you're still with me. I'm like, oh, yeah, I'm present. I'm right here. She's like, wow, your sage brains like thing that exercise you're doing is like really working. But it's almost like you're you know, I call it the Jedi, you can stay in that place. And your decision-making becomes more optimal. So as an entrepreneur, I appreciate that component of it as well. But really more just my overall like health and well-being is better and any make better. Like you're like I want to go outside, because there's this exercise I need to do. And I'm gonna for my mind to build my sage brain and get outside. And so you do the I shared with you the auditory one, there's a visual one, where you look at the thing that's furthest from you, and you look at all of the detail. And again, every time your mind wants to wander, you focus on that detail. And you really look at like we'll call it, let's say it's the clouds you're looking at, you know, look at the clouds, look at the shape, look at the colour, focus on that, and no thoughts coming in. And then the same thing, you come in, and you do your vision as close as possible. And so when you play with that with your different senses, you can then start to really build different parts of your sage brain that will serve you in just your normal existence.

Anthony Hartcher: 22:41

Did sage stand for anything is an acronym? Where does it come from? It isn't. Yeah. Where's your

Jodi Scott: 22:48

you know, I think it's become a term in this notion of getting out of survive mode. You know, it's funny, I googled it the other day to see if you know, there is a Wikipedia going to now define sage brain. And you don't find that. But what you do find is some great authors that talk about the sage brain, and they talk about emotional intelligence and how to, you know, spend more time on emotional intelligence that are kind of attributes of you know, we'll call it the sage brain. So perhaps maybe one day, it'll be a term that's like, heck, we're teaching it in our school system, when that'd be great?

Anthony Hartcher: 23:26

How do you spell it? What's the spelling of it? I look not quite clear.

Jodi Scott: 23:31

S-A-G-E, Oh so like the herb herb. Like just like the herb sage. Okay. Yeah. Because

Anthony Hartcher: 23:37

that's what I thought you're saying. And that's what I was picturing. The word is sage, and I thought, okay, it's an acronym. S stands for something. A stands something G. Yeah, but that's not the case. So I haven't I haven't come across sage brain. So interesting. I learned something new on every podcast, and you've, you've got me curious about wanting to find out more about this sage brain. And thank you for sharing those visual and auditory techniques that can really help get you out of the survival into the sage brain, which is where your Jedi is, that's where your flow state is. So that's really amazing. And you touched on the psychedelics before, and you're into this space. And so in particular, which psychedelics are you putting into your formulas, and talk a little bit about the, I guess, mechanisms of action and what what sort of indications indicate particular psychedelics? Yeah,

Jodi Scott: 24:30

so we actually have a clinical trial that's happening in Nova Scotia called Hallucenex Life Sciences and it is a clinical trial using micro and macro dosing of psilocybin for treatment-resistant PTSD, in our vets and servicemen and women, police officers, and so forth. And so these clinical trials really looking at how we can specifically treat and help with the treatment-resistant PTSD. But what's more fascinating is how this alternative modality is impacting these people's lives in a more holistic way. So we're seeing an 80% remission rate in a very short period of time. And so, you know, putting my psychology hat on, you don't see remission rates like that, let alone in a short period of time, which is incredible. I mean, this population I grew up in the military. So it's a population that I'm incredibly passionate about. And, you know, we've been around people suffering from PTSD since I was little, and you know, my dad coming back from deployments and what that integration look like. And so to see people who were, you know, suffering for a decade or longer find in a matter of months, you know, a new perspective on life is profound, but even more so when they come, you know, they're suicidal, they have anxiety, they have depression, but they also are overweight, or they're alcoholics, or they're self-medicating with, you know, too many drugs or cannabis, or they have no friends, no hobbies, and they all of a sudden, you know, are losing weight and eating healthy and getting rid of alcohol and going to concerts and have reading books, like couldn't read a book. I mean, it is absolutely beautiful to witness the impact of, of the psilocybin. So, you know, what we'll do with that? I don't know yet. But what's exciting is getting the data and I think, you know, the opportunities are endless, whether it is, you know, in very specific populations, and or, you know, we're seeing just anecdotal research and results on folks that how micro-dosing, psilocybin is impacting their overall, you know, happiness. So, I think it's early in this area, but you're seeing some massive breakthroughs in Colorado being one of the first states to decriminalise it. And we have physicians that are studying to be able to offer these treatments by 2025. And heck, you know, Australia, was the first country to, you know, take that position. And so I'm excited to see what happens in Australia with these beautiful alternative modalities.

Anthony Hartcher: 27:12

And when you mentioned micro-dosing, what sort of, are you aware of the dosing gene they're actually using in the study?

Jodi Scott: 27:18

I am not, you know, I wouldn't be able to speak to what the amount is that they're dosing. What I am learning as I've been studying other clinical trials and so forth, is they're not apples to apples. So it's going to be interesting to see when these products become available for consumers, how they kind of regulate and normalise, not normalise, but regulate and, and make those doses consistent. So it'll be interesting to see how that evolves. But we do at least from a micro versus macro, you know, you're talking three times the the amount when you're looking at the difference between the

Anthony Hartcher: 27:54

that'd be really interesting space, I had two. Okay, a US student that recently joined my company, interning from the States, and they researched psilocybin, and they were really happy that Australia is sort of leading the way in terms of that, and so they were looking into the research. So yeah, it's certainly an emerging space. And really, one that we've seen, I guess, through the breakthrough that we've had with medicinal cannabis, and the benefits of CBD and the impacts and multi areas, like for many indications, and CBD is applied. So hopefully, that psilocybin is also going to make a big difference in, as you said, the PTSD area, and that's going to really help.

Jodi Scott: 28:36

It is. And it's changing and challenging, sort of our traditional medical methodologies. You know, for example, they're seeing incredible results with phantom limb, late-stage cancer and pain and how they can manage the pain loop. So it's going to be really fascinating to see how it also will impact that. I mean, we talked about serotonin earlier. And, and, you know, we're learning gut health, you know, it's something we didn't talk about earlier. But gut health and mental health are very much connected. And some of the research we're identifying in psychedelics is, oh, my goodness, we have more serotonin receptors in our gut than we ever knew, you know. And so I think we're going to see a new kind of medicine as a result of the research that's coming out of the psychedelic space. And I'm excited to see how that evolves.

Anthony Hartcher: 29:25

And what other spaces you're watching, given your background, and I guess the involvement with your sister around her aerobatics sort of space and herb space? Where do you see this natural medicine space evolving to given that you set out to create natural medicines that could be applied as first aid so that people didn't have to bring in all these additional chemicals in the first aid instance? Where do you see it going? You've mentioned psilocybin around helping PTSD, medicinal cannabis for you know, for various mental health pain or those sorts of things. Where do you see this space going?

Jodi Scott: 30:00

You know, when we started this 10 years ago, and we talked about making plant-based alternatives, people are what, what is this? There's no way. And I think the plant Renaissance is here, which is really exciting. People talk about plant-based now. And I feel like it's a term that the consumer understands and resonates with. And it's turning into plant-based packaging, like our toothpaste is a plant-based toothpaste with a plant-based plastic alternative. And so I think we're going to see this, you know, kind of persevere through not only medicine, but how we consume products and personal care products, but then also the materials at which we use them and climate change and environmental sensitivities, and an even impact, you know, looking at business and impact. And so, you know, I think we're at the tip of the iceberg. But we're also at a place where we're ready for the world is ready for plant-based, were 10 years ago, they weren't. So I'm excited to see the innovation that's going to come from this and then the data that's going to come from it as we continue to evolve as species. So it's an exciting time, it's pretty great to be a part of it, and I'm, I'm just loving it.

Anthony Hartcher: 31:11

Yeah, and I certainly see it from the consumer point of view that they're more aware like they see these studies coming out about microplastics and thinking, Um, if I'm consuming fish, I've got, you know, consuming also all these microplastics, which we obviously know that it's not good for us, you know, as an endocrine disruptor, and the impact it has on our hormonal communication within our body. And obviously, the rising the BCo dynamic. And you know, it being a sort of, you know, a bit of a hormonal, excessive calorie consumption, picture story. So, it's wonderful that you've been able to address this whole topic around mental health in a very holistic way, I really appreciate that. Because, you know, initially, we were just going to talk about herbs for mental health, and you've just brought in all this holism, which I love, and I really appreciate you showing how herbs can play a part in a much broader health sense. And it's been great that you've been able to share the space with everything else that can be done, you know, so it's not just herbs, but there's, you do it in conjunction with all these other things such as the light, such as the hearing exercise, such as the, you know, in terms of what you can see, and all this sort of, you know, this, I guess, stage brain ability. So, I really appreciate it, and how can the listeners best connect with you and the great products, your company manufacture, and all these natural therapies?

Jodi Scott: 32:44

Thank you. And by the way, just want to say thank you for, for, for being so excited to be a part of that holistic, holistic experience, because it's just such a passion for me and, and I feel like it's my, it's my duty to walk the talk for the customers and really embody what we're doing with these products. So so thank you for highlighting that. And greengoo.com. That's the best place Amazon as well. But greengoo.com is where you can find you know all of the products and learn more about us. And of course, never hesitate to reach out, I'm always excited to talk to our customers. And some of them even become, you know, great friends and they check in and that is really, that's what gets me up every day and excited to do what we're doing.

Anthony Hartcher: 33:32

That's fantastic. It's fantastic. You're making a real impression in this plant-based movement, which is so important and you're addressing all concerns around sustainability and packaging, which is really important It was great to spend time with you, thank you. Thank you. because at the end of the day, all this packaging finds its way inside of us, which we don't want. So. Truly, It's so great that you're addressing that in a more natural way. So thank you so much. I really appreciate it, Jodi for coming on and sharing your insights.

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