Human Design Types Explained

Are you having a hard time trying to find life’s true purpose?  
 
Do you feel a bit lost in your current journey and want to find your authentic self?  
 
In this new episode of me&my health up podcast, our guest speaker, a degree-qualified naturopath and nutritionist specialising in the Human Design System, Jenna Carroll, shares her expertise in human design and how the different energy types can help you live a meaningful and purpose-filled life.   
 
About Jenna Carroll: 
 
Jenna is a degree-qualified Naturopath and Nutritionist specialising in the Human Design System in her practice. With a passion for bio-individualised health, she has found that the most transformational results are seen when the person is treated, not just the disease.  
 
This has led her to further study modalities, including Human Design, Iridology, and Functional Testing, which can all provide depth-information about a client's uniqueness, the complexities of their health state, and how to best approach treatment moving forward.  
 
Jenna loves to educate and provide clients with life-long tools that allow them to remain sovereign over their health long after the time they spend working together.  

Connect with Jenna Carroll:
 
Instagram: healthalchemist
https://www.instagram.com/healthalchemist/

Jenna Carroll website: 
https://www.healthalchemist.com.au/ 

About me&my Health Up & Host
me&my Health Up seeks to enhance and enlighten the well-being of others. Host Anthony Hartcher is the CEO of me&my wellness which provides holistic health solutions using food as medicine, combined with a holistic, balanced, lifestyle approach. Anthony holds three bachelor's degrees in Complementary Medicine; Nutrition and Dietetic Medicine; and Chemical Engineering.

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Transcript

Jenna Carroll: 0:08

Quite unique like a fingerprint. And so your chart really provides you that unique blueprint or manual in how you're authentically designed and when we can start to move and shift more into being authentic in this world, which is frickin hard work and it's very courageous to do to be authentic and unique, isn't it? You know, because we get so feared or being ostracized or kind of called out or bullied when we're younger to be different, but really, human design is known as the science of differentiation. We're trying to pull ourselves out of the homogeny of society and be our most authentic, creative, lifeforce expression in the world. And when you do live more into that truth, your your life flows with far more ease and the synchronicities that show up are unbelievable. And the alignment that you start experiencing is really, it's hard to live any other way. Honestly, once you start to discover yourself through this work.

Anthony Hartcher: 1:03

That was Jenna Carroll and naturopath and the owner of health Alchemist, and you've landed on the Me&my health up podcast. I'm your host, Anthony Hartcher. I'm a clinical nutritionist and lifestyle medicine specialist. The purpose of this podcast is to enhance and enlighten your well being. And today we're blessed to have Jenna Carroll who studied with me and endeavour college as we go way back and we're looking forward to Well, I'm certainly looking forward to discussing this episode on human design with Jenna. So Jenna is going to share a little bit more about what human design is, and the specific energy types and we're going to get into the energy types. And and you might be up to classify yourself, but as Jenna will tell you, it's very hard to classify yourself and you need to consult an expert like Jenna. So before we talk too much, or before I talk too much. Let's get into the episode and I'd love to welcome you into the discussion I'm having with the wonderful, Jenna. Welcome to the me&my health up podcast show. How are you Jenna Carol?

Jenna Carroll: 2:08

I'm doing amazing. Thanks, Anthony.

Anthony Hartcher: 2:11

So great to have Jenna on the show. Jenna and I studied together so we started that endeavor college and we were doing clinic together. We had a lot of fun together. And it's really good to see where Jen has ended up in her career path. And it's really evolved. So Jenna's study naturopathy, and then has this element of human design incorporated into her work of naturopathy. And so today, we're going to be chatting about human design. But before we get into the discussion, we got to hear a bit more about Jenna and her her backstory. So I please share your backstory Jenna.

Jenna Carroll: 2:46

Oh, thanks, Anthony. It's a pleasure to be here. And yeah, so I guess before I found myself studying naturopathy, and kind of getting into health, I used to be a professional ballerina. So I actually pursued a career in dance for the first 21 years of my life, which was a huge dedication and commitment. You know, I didn't have a very normal upbringing, I would say it was a very different way of life. You know, I didn't do a lot of things that other kids were doing, or teenagers were doing, I actually moved overseas when I was only 16. And yeah, I even like, look back at it now. And I'm just so amazed at my younger self, I'm so proud of her, you know, she did a lot of big things for a young person. And, but with that commitment that I had to dance, I actually meant that my education and my schooling kind of took the backseat. So I had actually left high school when I was only 14, and did it by correspondence for a couple of years and kind of dropped out and just to pursue dance. And I don't regret that at all, it was an incredibly important part of my experiential learning. I guess, I think being a dancer or an elite athlete at that level, it actually really helps you to attune yourself to your physical body in a way that, you know, the average Joe doesn't necessarily get, I guess, I remember there being a very deep sensitivity and understanding of the way that my body is functioning. And I think through that process, there was an inquiry within me that was constantly seeking, like, what hacks can I do to optimize my performance as an athlete, but unfortunately, at that particular point in time, you know, I actually came across misinformation, and I came across calorie counting and, you know, carbohydrate restriction, and I found myself falling down a really dark spiral of disordered eating. And so for about seven long years, within that time, I had really a deep struggle with my relationship to my body and food and body dysmorphia, you know, starving myself, which eventually turned into a binge purge cycle actually. So it was really tough. swilling a lot. With disordered eating, my whole focus in life became orientated around my body and foods really, and it was a very sad way to live my life. And I just really found that, you know, I really fell into the depths of depression and anxiety and fear as well. And so eventually, there was a point in my career where I sustained quite a significant injury, and I actually needed to get surgery. And that moment in time was about when I was 2021. And it actually enforced this slowing down or stopping of the momentum, because I had never really taken more than two weeks off maximum from dance, because that's a very, that's a long time to take off as an elite athlete, you really see it, teachers will see it, and the audience sees it. So you have to be so consistent with keeping your level of fitness up, and I'd taken, you know, weeks off for this injury, and I had this moment of reflection going, I'm really not in a good place within my health, you know, my body was was not good, you know, I was really struggling with being underweight, and then also really struggling with my mental health. And, and I guess at that point in time, I was like, I don't think I can do this anymore, I can't keep pushing through this pain. And so it was a very turbulent time, probably a year or two, after letting go of my previous life as a dancer, it was a basically a massive ego death, because I didn't actually have anything else in my life that I knew of that I was good at. So I had never explored anything else. And so when I went dance left, not only wasn't what I had identified with, but it was actually also the outlet that my younger self must have manifested, that really helped me cope with a lot of difficulties within my life at a young at younger age. So it's also kind of like church for me or my spiritual, outlet and, and all that stuff, too. So it was a really big transformation, me trying to figure out who I am and other modalities of support that I can use that will help keep me alive, basically. And so I found, I found myself kind of moving out of disordered eating through, I found yoga and creating a consistent practice with yoga and breath work and meditation really stilled myself and helped me to feel into the corners of my body, again, that I've been so switched off from and started to help me to accept my body in where it was at at that time. And I think through that, that acceptance, like over many years, it's probably been almost 10 years now, since that time, that I have found that that acceptance point has led to a lot of deep self love, actually. And through that journey of, of self acceptance and creating more sensitivity around my body's mechanisms was discovering nutrition in a whole new way, and starting to fuel myself with nutrient dense Whole Foods and a difference that I started to feel when I was oscillating in and out of, you know, it's very typical for someone moving out disordered eating to kind of go in and out of eating very well. And then switching back to that to the old habitual behaviors and patenting. And so there was a time like that, but it really provided me this deep contrast into how it feels to be in your most radiant expressive health, and then how it feels to be in your most darkest place as well. And I guess it was a self discovery process. And within that process, as well, there was this trying to rediscover who I was, as well as a person. And it made me very intrigued in a system like astrology. So I was also very interested in astrology for kind of giving me an objective understanding of the particular energy and person that I am. And I guess that's what's leading me down to what this conversation is going to be more about is, is the human design system. And I started studying the neuropathy and nutrition when I was maybe 23, or 24-23. And during my course of studies, I discovered human design. And that's when a lot of stuff started to change for me in understanding the unique mechanics of the way in which my authentic energy is designed to operate. Having gone through such a big chunk of my early life, things so deeply conditioned, almost institutionalized by a system, it was very hard for me to ever have a grasp on who I was actually. So using this system has been very life changing for me and I've found myself somehow merging it with the work that I do with neuropathy now, because what I've discovered and what you've probably also discovered, Anthony is that oftentimes you can only get so far with people's fears To call health, you know, before you hit a ceiling, because they are so entrenched in certain conditioning and patterning. And so I love using human design to understand their energetic biomechanics. And so how can I actually individualize and this treatment for this individual more deeply? And then how can I also get them to see or build more awareness around the parts of themselves that have potentially been conditioned or living out of alignment with who they authentically are?

Anthony Hartcher: 10:30

Wow, what a journey you've been on Jenna very inspiring in terms of the Independence she developed, leaving school as a 14 years old, and then traveling the world at 16. And I can see how, like, on your Instagram profile, you define yourself as an entrepreneur, because you develop such great independence and be able to basically take on the world at such an early age and, and you're still taking on the world where you are to now. So just in terms of that identity, who do you identify as yourself today? You know, your your once a ballerina? What would you how would you identify yourself? Now?

Jenna Carroll: 11:14

I guess that's quite a deep question. It could be quite a deep question. You know, I just am you know, my, it is my essence it is my being. But, you know, if we want to put any labels on it would be that I work as a naturopath, and a human design analyst, and I'm a dancer, I still dance, and I still love all that stuff. But underneath all of that is my multi dimensional self that is constantly expanding and becoming. And I just am.

Anthony Hartcher: 11:49

That's fantastic. It's, I just really, I just wanted to understand in terms of what you know, where hate you've been such a long road to that self, you know, that self discovery and that that understanding of self journey that? Yeah, I was wondering, you know, where you've arrived today and who you are, that you are, who you are. And you know who you are? Yeah, yes.

Jenna Carroll: 12:11

It's interesting, because I think I discovered through that massive, letting go of this massive death in my life at that point, that when we label ourselves as something and attach, attach ourselves to a label, it's actually very limiting. And, you know, it can make you feel claustrophobic and that there is nothing more to you than that nothing more value to be offering the world. And I think that now, I really, actually veer away from defining myself because I just love being open to the flexibility of who I am. And I think we are all incredibly multi dimensional. And we will move through this world and life and find many different passions and talents along the path as well. And I think it's really important that we stay open to that.

Anthony Hartcher: 13:00

Absolutely. And I know that the audience listeners are very intrigued about this human design work that you do, they're probably thinking, Well, what is the human design on it? Tell us a little bit more about that, Jenna.

Jenna Carroll: 13:12

Okay, I'll do my best. Okay, so human design is a very unique science actually is a full blown science. It's actually a science that helps us understand our energy mechanics of our aura, actually, or our energy field, whatever you want to call it. Human Design, is a system that's actually founded upon four ancient sciences, we've got the Kabbalistic Tree of Life, the chakra system, astrology, and the Chinese eaching. We also tie in some more contemporary forms of science with human design, which makes it quite a grounded and practical system, which I love. And so it's incorporating things like genetics, quantum physics, and astronomy. And in human design, they talk quite heavily about these subatomic particles called neutrinos. And these neutrinos can be measured. And anything that carries a mass carries with it some kind of information. And these neutrinos are actually produced from stars, the sun and some planets, and they literally travel at the speed of light around our Earth's atmosphere at every second of every day, we are constantly swimming in a neutrino field, which is kind of like this energy field of the higher cosmic principles that are at play at this point in time because we have to remember that we are just little specks floating around in a big rock in space. All the time. We kind of get we forget that, you know, and we are at the mercy of some higher energies that are at play. But basically, when you took your first breath, Anthony and when everyone was born, there's a certain crystallization or an implantation of the neutrino field at that particular point in time, almost creating like a cosmic DNA of some kind within an individual. And so we're walking snapshots in time of the higher universal energies that were at play at that time of birth, which kind of explains this system a little bit more scientifically for people to understand how it works. But basically, we use your birth information. So your birth time, date and place, we plug it into some software that produces a chart, and your human design chart is that implementation, it's a representation of your unique energy signature, that you have arrived here with, and it's actually a very objective understanding of your most authentic, real self. Beyond the conditioning field that we're exposed to in our lifetime, not only from this neutrino C that we're constantly experiencing, that also through our parents and society at large and, and everything that we get influenced by as we walk through and navigate this world. And so we can get so lost in this journey, we can get so far removed from who we actually are. And that's when when we are living a life that is actually not in alignment with our authentic, energetic truth, we enter a lot of resistance in our life, you probably felt that when you've worked a job that potentially your parents told you to do, because you that was seen as successful. And so you're conditioned somewhat by them to do that thing, but you're sitting there and in this work, not progressing in the way that you thought you would, or how your friend is, because your particular energy operates very differently. To to them, you know, it might work for them, but it's probably not gonna work for you. And so resistance can show up as like this really a lot of negative emotions, tension, anger, frustration, bitterness, disappointment, and we also enter resistance within our physical health. When we're misaligned with the way we're actually exchanging this particular energy that we all hold. Just like we have four different blood types, there's actually four different aura structures that humans are walking around with. And I really feel that if we all understood each other on this level, I think our world would actually be functioning in a very different way. But in saying that, even though it's just for aura types, there's a lot of depth to you, as an individual with your human design. There's billions of variations of human design charts. It's quite unique, like a fingerprint. And so your chart really provides you that unique blueprint or manual in how you're authentically designed. And when we can start to move and shift more into being authentic in this world, which is frickin hard work. And it's very courageous to do to be authentic and unique, isn't it? You know, because we get so fear of being ostracized or kind of called out or bullied when we're younger, to be different. But really, human design is known as the science of differentiation. We're trying to pull ourselves out of the homogeny of society and be almost authentic, creative, lifeforce expression in the world. And when you do live more into that truth, your your life flows with far more ease, and the synchronicities that show up are unbelievable. And the alignment that you start experiencing is really, it's hard to live any other way. Honestly, once you start to discover yourself through this work.

Anthony Hartcher: 18:27

Wow. So it just, I'm sure the listeners now intrigued about the, the archetypes or you know, the the different types in terms of those aura fields that we are made up of, say, if you want to just sort of run through the archetypes. I don't know if that's the right word. And we're using the right word.

Jenna Carroll: 18:45

It's more known as the type. They call it the type, or the type. Yeah.

Anthony Hartcher: 18:50

or a type or a type. That's it. That's it. Let's stick with aura types. Please share the four types.

Jenna Carroll: 18:56

Yeah, so firstly, I'll just say that the aura types are, these are the sheer mechanics of your aura. It's not necessarily describing like personality traits or anything like that. It's just sharing with you the structure of your aura and the way it's designed to exchange its energy. And even though there are like four distinct or structures, there's a lot of variants and variation within each of these structures and so like this system goes extremely deep you can find out things about yourself, like even your digestive process and the way that your cognition works and whether you're someone that fits routine or is someone that's meant to be more fluid with your routine there's so much depth with it but just start with and the entry point into human design is really this is probably the most important thing to grasp is understanding what are they each aura types are and what you put your what category you fit in within this because if you can start to learn to work with your aura type is kind of like a master key that naturally will unlock For the rest of your design as well, if you can start to experiment. And that's another point I just want to quickly say is that this information is meant to be used as an experiment. It's not meant to be taken on as a sheer truth or dogmatic truth. It's not here to be believed in with blind faith, it's actually a system that is meant to be used as an experiment so we can really see for ourselves what the truth of it is, and what's true for us. Because really, when we come when it comes down to it, the only real truth you'll know is through your own experience with these things, and that's what human design is trying to offer us. So, with the energy types, it's very, um, it's interesting. So the first energy type I'll discuss is actually the energy type that you are Anthony quickly and concisely as possible, but just know that this is just giving you a little taster of each energy type. So the first one as you type I'll discuss is the manifester and the manifester energy type makes up approximately eight to maybe 10% of the population. The manifest is they are the leaders of the world. They are the initiators. They are here to initiate people into a new way of life, a new paradigm, a new world, in some sort, they have these incredible you have an incredible connection to the universe, whether you're aware of it or not that there's a certain impulse that moves through your body and you may understand this Anthony but it's a feeling like of a, an urge, like a urge to do something, an urge to create that just a spark of inspiration that will move through you. And in that moment, you have to go into your creative process and whatever that might look like and the manifester needs to be in that creative process. And so there are a structure is kind of sounds a bit negative, but it's not at all they they describe it as being closed and repelling. And the reason being though is because your aura is here to trailblaze you're here to open up the path for others to kind of jump on board with you and kind of work with you. And so, I almost liken it to the the tip of an aeroplane like the nose of an aeroplane just pushing through the air and that's the kind of energy of your you're here to really spark people interaction. It's an incredibly powerful or to have, it's probably one of the most biggest energies to hold, I guess and that's a negative thing. And sometimes I see manifest errs that really contract their bigness because they've been taught somewhere along the line to play small, right and the manifester is not here to play small, like just an example. You know, JK Rowling said, has a massive empire, you have Harry Potter, she was a manifester. She initiated a world within a world you know, this is such a divine ability that you have. The thing is, though, with the manifester is that you don't necessarily need to take like you don't need to necessarily build or actually work to sustain that energy, you actually have a more sustainable energy in the way that you operate, like you have this immense energy to get things started to begin and create a new movement of thing, you know, that that requires a huge amount of energy, it's that like, firework that really needs that it needs to be lit up, you know, before it can really fire off. And that's kind of the energy that you have.

Anthony Hartcher: 23:33

Fantastic that it turns to the closed and repel, I must say, I think I'd certainly get that sort of feedback. Like it, you know that. So it's not that I don't find that offensive. I've really, that's who I am, like, you know, and it's it, I think people find it hard to get into my head or understand me and I so I don't think they know, I'm very approachable. But they just sort of say that they sort of Yeah, I don't know, there's it but then I do get people that said, I was initially a bit uncomfortable about you know, something I was just uncomfortable about in terms of coming to you or or just getting you or something like that. So, I have heard that throughout my journey.

Jenna Carroll: 24:21

I've got some manifestos that I'm very close with in my life. And they will often say that I've just felt like a black sheep, you know, like, it's always felt a bit socially difficult for me in my life, or they've had issues just with that because of that aura and whether you have awareness of it or not, as soon as you enter a room, there's this feeling of like, oh, the manifest is here kind of thing. And so it feels fields that you have and really big. Each or type has a strategy involved, which I won't really go into now because that will take time. But just know that HR type has a particular strategy that helps unlock their particular aura and soften their aura. And so that's why with the manifest is it's very important to learn how to work with their strategy, which is informing people of what you're doing next. So that you can allow the pathway to clear and you allowed to kind of keep moving forward in what you're doing. And the biggest, you know, things that I tend to find with the manifester is that they fall into patterns of either people pleasing, and doing what others want them to do, when that creates deep anger within them, actually, because you are here to be in your creative flows and be independent, you there's a fierce independence with a manifester energy that really needs to be honored. And as soon as you get taken out of that independence, there's this deep resentment and anger towards people, you just want to be in peace and your creative flow, whenever that comes through, which might be completely random sometimes. But it's, it's all you have to do is let people know that you're gonna go and start working on this next podcast episode, or you're filling a creative flow in your business. And it's like, I'm just gonna go and, you know, let everyone know that that's what you're doing. And it will soften the energy field a lot for you just fine forming. And there's other parts of your design, which maybe we can have a quick chat about at the end that really describes me, like, what you were just what you're discussing them about, like people potentially having a bit of, there's like a little distance. So they may have put you on a pedestal in some sense because of another energy that you have in your aura. But it's such a beautiful energy to hold actually. So yeah, that's kind of like a little bit of a summary of the manifester aura. They are the initial initiators in this world. That's and keeping in mind that they're the only ones that are really designed for this kind of just make it happen, just do it type of mentality. The rest of us are not necessarily designed that way. And so it's remembering that as a manifester, as well. And so, the next energy type, which makes up the majority of the population is, or the or type is known as the generator or a type. And this is where it's a little bit confusing for people because there's actually two or types that kind of fit in here. So there's actually five energy types, but only four different or structures because to kind of get clumped together. And they are known as the generators and manifesting generators of this world. And these guys make up 70% of the population. They are the builders of the world. They're the ones that are here to kind of create and build, what the manifests have initiated. You know, if we, if we look at it in that sense, they are the ones that are here to put their lifeforce energy into the world. And they are actually responsible for lifting the vitality of the population because they have access to a certain energy in their chart known as their sacral energy center. And this center is the house of lifeforce potential and the the ability to build and put the energy out into the world and to create but the biggest conditioning here for these guys tends to be that they can be really shut off to their sacral energy desires, because they are here to do only really what sparks that joy within them that sparks that, that passion that that sacral energy, what brings a response to their body, they need to engage with those things that they love, and what you typically might see with the generators and you might come across it a lot in your work where they find themselves in a job or a situation where they are just working and grinding out a nine to five job and they're just exhausted, they're falling into burnout really easily that what they do does not light them up. And it's actually not giving them this regenerative energy lifeforce, which is why they get that term that generator because they generate energy potential when they are investing it in the things that really do spark the joy for them. But when they're not, it puts the sacral energy center into this like deep degradation process where it starts to like burn out and fizzle out. And they typically start to feel that they become a bit of a victim to their situation, that they can't change anything and they can get stuck in a rut of frustration, that their life isn't really flowing with the joy that they actually innately know deep down that they're here to live. They're here to be deeply satisfied by the work that they do in this world. And their aura is open and enveloping. And so this is a comfy or for people to bear around and it's very juicy and sparkly energy. I know very intimately because I engage a lot with the with the generators in my life. I'm not one myself but I I love that energy. It's so inspiring to be around and often when I move myself out of an interaction with one of my generator Amanda besting generator friends, I feel so lit up and inspired. And you guys don't often see the ripple impact that you have on others and that your aura actually draws the world to you. You don't need to go out there and hustle so much, you have to actually wait for things to come on your path for your sacral energy center to kind of wrap itself around a know whether it's something it has energy for, but something it doesn't have energy for. So it's really attuning yourself to that sacral response as a generator. So they're kind of the builders in the world. And then the next energy type is known as the projector. And that's actually my aura type as well. And they make up about 20 21% of the population. And they are, really this is they are the guides, they have an aura structure that's very interesting. It's got like a projection that sticks out the front of them, kind of like a knife. And so as we interface with people as projectors, we are actually pasting into the aura of another person. And we can see into another in a way that no other energy type can. And so we are amazing at finding more efficient ways of doing things. We're very, we tend to be very good with systems with understanding people, and hacking those systems and making them more efficient were actually put here to help direct the energy, the sacral energy of the generators and manifesting generators in the world. And so they do make excellent guides, teachers, but the projectors are actually here to be the future leaders of the world. We've been put here we're a bit more of a newer and newer or a type. But the big thing with the projector is that, again, it's one that's going to always feel a little bit different because our society is not really built for the projector energy fields. As projectors, we have limited energy resources. Unlike the manifester that does have quite a strong energy not that you have necessarily a sustainable energy in the way that the generator or manifesting generator does. But you still have this quite a strong energy in your field. And then you've got the generators and manifesting generators that can have like it's consistent workflow that happens when they are engaging with the things that they love, they get into this kind of flow state, with their projectors, they really, they are probably the most open and prone to the conditioning of this western world, this capitalist culture of trying to keep up with the nine to five job and often we actually can sometimes look like we are the most capable and efficient and, and, you know, energized people in the workspace because we actually are taking in and amplifying throughout open sacral center, the sacral energy of this workforce kind of sacral energy that we're constantly exposed to. So it can be a very confusing time for a projector to learn at their project. I remember when I learned about that whilst I was at uni, it was such a big pivotal aha moment because for so long I could never articulate to people. Like I knew in the back of my head I always be thinking I don't understand how people can work five days a week nine to five I just feel like I don't have the the energy for that. I feel like I burn out so quickly doing work like that. And I'd always question even when I was a dancer, it was such a huge output of energy all the time. And I'm you know, I really suffered a lot from very strong burnout after those years and most projectors will find themselves in massive fatigue state, massive adrenal burnout at some point along the line because of their conditioning. And when I found out I was projector I was kind of like, Oh no, I don't want to be a projector, I want to be a generator, a manifesting generator like this, they have all these amazing energy potential but but the thing about the projector is that they have plenty of energy, they just have to learn how to actually work with that energy. And so I've been able to build my whole life and my business around my particular energy, which I'm so grateful to have known before finishing uni and going out into practice, because I already knew straight away that I wasn't going to be able to work in the traditional ways that naturopath or nutritionist worked, I was going to have to build from the foundation of a lifestyle that's going to be more conducive to the way my energy flows. And an important thing to know as a protector is that it doesn't matter how much you love something and love what you do, you're always going to need to take time away from it and rest it's not going to be like the generator or a manifesting generator that can keep just going and doing the thing that they love doing that projectors really need to step away because their genius actually unfolds in the resting

Anthony Hartcher: 34:44

and then can certainly see how the projectors really suited you well to be a like a human design leader in a sense, you know, helping others understand themselves their authentic self and you know, be able to see through you know, cut through and say this is exactly And this is how it like, in terms of, you mentioned the aura type, and you said there's different makeups, or different levels or different, you know, this the uniqueness to the person, you would really be able to see that you have the vision to see that. So, yeah, I think it's, you've really found that Yeah, I think, you know, as much as you sort of didn't like the projector thing at the beginning, but it's really, you know, it suits what you're doing now, it doesn't really well,

Jenna Carroll: 35:27

your design is the perfect design for you to fulfill whatever it is that you've come here to your your dharma, your purpose, you know, it's the perfect structure for you to trigger the most points of healing and evolution within your soul. So you chose this exact structure, it's no coincidence. And yeah, the projector is really here to get very good at understanding a system, they're very if you can try, like, it could be the legal system, it could be the financial system, it could be a person, it could be using a system like human design or, or even health, you know, a system of testing, for instance, because the real ideal situation for projectors to find themselves as an expert within their niche field, so that they can then be recognized as that and be called forth to help Yeah, lead in in creating a better way of doing things in this world. So yeah, it is definitely no coincidence. And I've always been, I think this is what my real passion is, in clinical practice is really understanding the person in front of me, that's always been what I've been more fascinated in than learning about people's pathology, or their, you know, disease state, it's been actually understanding them as an individual person. And and this system helps me really cut straight into that, rather than it taking me like five to 10 sessions to really understand the person. It's like, I can figure it out straightaway.

Anthony Hartcher: 36:53

But it's fantastic, because well, it is, and you come up with the individualized treatment plan to really get them results, essentially. Because you totally understand. Yeah,

Jenna Carroll: 37:05

yeah, there's so much variation that will be made. Depending on your I look at the human design chart, and I'll just know, firstly, if they've got conditioning and secondly, if they're, if their energy is going to work better if I if I give them a like a strong regime with what they're doing, or someone might not respond at all to that. So I have to approach it completely differently. And then not to mention, there's a deeper part of human design known as the primary health system, which goes into an individualized approach to their optimizing their cognitive potential, and their digestive process. And you take that into account. It's like even more individualized, which I just love. So yeah, that's fantastic.

Anthony Hartcher: 37:47

It's awesome. So what's the fourth one?

Jenna Carroll: 37:50

Yeah, the fourth one is, this is definitely the rarest. It's 1% of the population, they are the reflectors. And you know, I've had the honour of reading for maybe off before reflectors now. So that's not very many, I've read hundreds of charts. But basically, one in every 100 is a reflector. I've known a few reflectors in my life as well. So they are definitely unique individuals. They are, they've come here with a completely open design that their aura is sampling, their aura is here to taste their environment constantly. And the way it's designed is that they are meant to be was placed in the middle of a community to be the canary in a coal mine with how well that community is functioning. So if the reflector is depressed and sick and not functioning well, which unfortunately, a lot of the reflectors that I've had the honor of reading for, have been in severe disease states like chronic fatigue syndromes, for instance, very common, there's mystery illnesses that typically will afflict the the reflectors the most because of their openness, you know, to their environment, their environment is everything, like they need to be very aware of the environment they place themselves in, because they're always constantly tasting everything around them. They'll essentially mirror the people around them. It's that whole saying, Have you become most like the five people you surround yourself with? You know, whatever that is, I can't remember exactly how many people but that's very true for the reflector. They need to be placing themselves in an environment that feels correct for them that brings them that you know, that energy that that spark of joy and that surprise and elation that they are here designed to experience and they actually make incredible psychologists and people that that work really well with like interpersonal issues as well and they can remain very objective which is so beautiful, but they are like kind of the mirror to the way society is functioning and then very important part for that. tend to be very unique individuals. And very beautiful people.

Anthony Hartcher: 40:07

Wow. Yeah, I can. I'm trying to think if I know or reflect I certainly my wife's a generator for sure. I'm pretty sure, yeah.

Jenna Carroll: 40:17

So it's very hard to guess or type. A lot of people say, what my aura type is, like, it's actually extremely hard, because depends on the layers of conditioning. And it's not necessarily describing like your personality traits or anything like that. It's just the sheer energy. So it is very hard to guess for some people, it's very easy to to guess it as well, like, if they have been living in alignment naturally, because this does tend to happen is that they can naturally be already living in alignment with their aura, they've discovered it through their own personal healing journeys, yeah, on their own accord. So it's very affirmative in that sense, sometimes

Anthony Hartcher: 40:58

it's fascinating, I can see how it really serves the work that you do in terms of coming up with the right holistic treatment plan to really support the client in front of you get being able to cut through and get right down to that individualistic element and understand, you know, this approach won't help them because of, you know, the aura type, but, you know, this, this approach is going to really help them because some, some clients, I certainly see that really want that hand holding, and like, I need this specific recipe, you know, send me the recipe, you know, like, and, and then other clients are happy with the bigger picture, you know, then in terms of the plan, and how to how to improve their health, but others want the specific detail. And so I can see how it's really serving your work in terms of being able to pick up that they're going to need this, I'm going to give them this. And they probably say, you read me like a book Jenna. So what they say to you

Jenna Carroll: 41:55

is much more than what I thought I was getting into sometimes, and it's really a very holistic approach to treatment is it's amazing. And the other thing that I like to just, you know, another reason why I love using it is because I'm able to give those clients tools like tangible practical things that they can start to use in their life, like using their strategy and authority through their human design so that in between sessions, they can start stepping into their own inner guidance, because I really believe that were our own best health expert. And so rather than depending so much on external voices telling us what to do, it's really about coming into our own sovereignty within that process. And that's what human design is fundamentally all about is really coming back into your own authority, and making decisions for yourself and not needing to always hear it's incredibly important to have guides, definitely. But ultimately, that's why I love using it is because it really helps clients to tap back into what is true for them between consults. So it's not always because sometimes between consults, you kind of lose, you know, you're not as in touch with them. So it's really nice to give them something that they can actually start working with in their life.

Anthony Hartcher: 43:16

Yeah, that's fantastic. And I'm sure the listeners are saying, well, how can I get in touch with Jenna? I'd love to, I'd love for her to you know, cut through and, and, you know, share what my aura type is? And and yeah, so how can they best reach out to you, Jenna?

Jenna Carroll: 43:31

Yes, so I have an a website called Health Alchemist, a LCH. E M is t.com.au. That's my website, you can book through there and like, look a little bit more into what human design is in my work. Also, I show up a lot on Instagram, most mainly to be honest, and that's just at Health Alchemist. On Instagram. It's my instagram handle. And yeah, I do have I do complete. Just human design, only reading. So if you've already been doing a lot of work with a practitioner, like Anthony's, for instance, you might just want to reading to just further distill your particular energy fields. You know, we get really caught up with the physical health, but we forget that there's a lot more to us than just what meets the eye we have this mechanical aura that we're working with as well. So you can kind of do one of my readings in that way or you can work with me naturopathic Lee as well. And through that I also incorporate human design into my work. Yeah,

Anthony Hartcher: 44:36

that the listeners can do it, you know, online. They don't need to physically see you. Yeah,

Jenna Carroll: 44:42

yes, absolutely. I'm based in Byron Bay. So people in Byron Bay can reach out if they'd like to do it in person. But beyond that, I mainly actually practice online so everything is set up that way. And it's actually really cool, especially with human design readings because I give you a recording and sounds like you've got this video that keeps giving back to you time and time again, the reading is something that is a gift that keeps on giving. It's, you could revisit it in 10 years time, and it will still hold a lot of relevance and applicability to your life at that time as well. So, yeah, they're very valuable.

Anthony Hartcher: 45:17

Yeah, fantastic. It's been very insightful. I've learned a lot, I certainly hadn't come across Human Design. Until I started, you know, obviously, following your journey as a naturopath and thought, Now, I think the listeners is probably just as intrigued as what I am about this human design work that you're doing so, so great that you're able to come on the show and share a little bit about human design and the four types. But yeah, and the listeners can obviously get in touch with you. And for the listeners, I'll include those links to Jenna's website and her Instagram, in the show notes. So you can go directly to that and click on them. And your final words of wisdom, I'd love to hear them Jenna, given that you shared so much insight.

Jenna Carroll: 46:03

Wow. Well, I think it's along the lines of what I was just mentioning that everything is already within you, you know, you are already the greatest authority of your life. You know, it's all within you, you've just got to remember. And using something like human design, it's not here to tell you who you are, it's actually more of a triggering of your own awareness of who you essentially are underneath all that it's a remembering process and it's remembering that you are the authority of your life. And yeah, coming into alignment with that is probably one of the biggest blessings and contributions you could make to humanity.

Anthony Hartcher: 46:45

Beautiful words well said. And yeah, I really enjoyed this conversation with your Jenna, and listeners thank you for tuning in to another insightful episode. If you know of anyone else that would like to hear more about human design or be intrigued about how they could incorporate that into finding themselves or finding their true self that there could be someone that's a bit lost at this point in time. Please share it with them. I'd love you to get the episode to them so they can hear more about human design and get in touch with Jenna so thanks again Jenna Have a wonderful day.

Jenna Carroll: 47:15

Oh, it's a pleasure Anthony.

Anthony Hartcher: 47:29

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